Mageth

There are current gene theories that state that all humans may have descended from one African woman. See Eve in genetic theory in your favorite encyclopedia. (I wish I had known that woman!)

This is a misconception of Mitochondrial Eve. See:

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Facility/4118/misc/eve.html" target="_blank">Misconceptions about Mitochondrial Eve</a>

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Ierrellus

mageth:

Are you devoid of humor? M.E. is silly! But the article to which you referred was sillier yet. It obscure proofs with prejudice!

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Tristan Scott

What, that they equally take the mythical books literally? That isn't the case at all.

The mythical texts are written in layers. the first, most obvious layer, is written in allegory and is designed to catch the eye of children and casual adherents. The deeper layers are for the more serious reader and are meant to illustrate God's relationship with man. Most ancient Jewish scripture was written in this way. It has been discovered that some sects even imbedded codes in thier scripture in deep levels where they would hide the secrets of their people. One of the more interesting discoveries among the Dead Sea Scrolls was a primer for composing this type of writing for the people of Qumran.

Mageth

Ierrellus:

Are you devoid of humor? ME is silly! But the article to which you referred was sillier yet. It obscures the proofs with the prejudice!

I was pointing out a commonly-held misconception concering ME that you made in your post. I don't get the "devoid of humor" comment at all. Where was the humor I missed?

Why do you think ME is "silly?" And how is the article "silly" and prejudiced?

Mageth

Oh, I think I see the humor now. Your stated misconception of ME came shortly after you said:

I am surprised to find even some irrational assumptions among good arguments.

Jayhawker Soule

Really? Since I'm far from a Talmudic Scholar, I'd be interested in your sources. What do these 'deeply imbedded secret codes' say, and to which Qumran Scroll are you referring?

Ierrellus

Mageth,

If it takes quotes out of context to satiate your identity crises, I am out of this discussion. If you had something to say I would listen. Apparently, you offer nothing but personal insecurity in the guise of debate. Bye.

Ierrellus

Mageth

Ierrellus:

Sorry, but you've completely lost me. What's with the "identity crisis" comment? You don't know anything about me. The only "insecurity" I've seen is you reacting strongly to my pointing out a misconception that you held about ME. And that was the
only thing I intended to say.

You haven't explained the "humor" that I missed. And when I posted a humorous response, you complain that I'm taking "quotes out of context", obviously not recognizing the humor.

Further, you called the article "silly" and prejudiced without bothering to actually make an argument as to why you think so. I made the only response I could to such - asking you to explain. I can only conclude that you don't actually have something to say.

Tristan Scott

ReasonableDoubt

I'm far from a Talmudic Scholar as well, but then I'm sure you are aware that we are not discussing a Talmudic issue.

As to the "code". Code was my word and was probably not a good choice because of all the "bible code" rubbish going on. Another name for this writing technique is called the Pesher Technique and I believe refers to the scroll found at Qumran that contained segments of Isaiah. In this case what the "codes" indicate is the significance of the particular passage to the Essene people at Qumran. Intersting because it gives more insight as to what was going on with those particular people at that time.

Beware while searching this technique on the net and elsewhere as the name Barbara Thiering will pop up a lot. She created quite a stir in the early to mid nineties by concluding that the Pesher Technique could be carried over to the New Testament as well. Her conclusions were not well supported, and should have been presented as theories.

By the way, Pesher is translated to mean (roughly) "interpretation of the word".

Ierrellus

Mageth:

We seem to have a communications gap. If I have said anything about you personally, I offer my sincere and heartfelt apology. The statement about personal identity is appropriate only from my perspective of what debate should be. For me, any debate that deteriorates to personal attack is beneath the dignity of debate.

I do not know you. Therefore, I cannot comment about you. All that I can respond to is the rationality or irrationality of beliefs. IMO, M.E. is silly. DNA is DNA whether it is mitochondrial or nucleic. I have many problems with the "authority" who proposed the Mitochdrial Eve and have much scientific backing for my personal opinion.

I found the article you gave on M.E./genetic misconception to be typical of the type of fundamentalism that cannot evaluate any critique without resorting to the argument of failure of others to accept ambiguous dogma.

If I am remiss, forgive me. If I present valid argument, do not mistake it as personal unless, as I said, you have problems with your own identity and would rather be right than truthful.

Ierrellus