Alix Nenuphar

A new poster on ISCID, Peter Borger, has just been shut down by the moderators before he had a chance to expand on his hypothesis regarding biology. Since he appears to have some experience with message boards, does anyone here know who he is or what his hypothesis actually is?

Part of the reason I ask is that his style reminds me of a professor I had in Amsterdam who was notable for his inability to grasp the subject he was teaching, and his flagrantly confrontational style.

dublczek

There's a Peter Borger, president of Siemens Shanghai Mobile Communications Ltd.

There's one that posts voluminously on the EvC forums.

There's also a peterborger@hotmail.com .

Don't know if any of these are the Peter Borger you are looking for. The rest of the search on Yahoo turned up stuff in languages I can't read.

Principia

Peter Borger is a netizen of EvC forums.

PB is not the only raving IDiot who was recently banned temporarily from ISCID. Check out, for instance, "nobody", whose sole existence at ISCID/ARN was to play fundamentalist yesman to Mike Gene. Why would Micah et al. antagonize supporters of ID? It makes sense to maintain the illusion that mainstream scientists and IDiots can come together to have a friendly chat, an image which serves a pro-ID group better than to have a free-for-all, in which the IDiots surely come off worse. It helps to remember, that these people are always after an appearance of legitimacy first, and actual science much, much later.

charlie d

Interesting. He has apparently come up with a theory that allows some unique and highly specific predictions.
Check this out:or thisor thisMy overall favorite is this: No sh*t!

theyeti

Borger is a complete tool. His trademark is to cite papers that make the exact opposite case from his own. He provides rebuttals for you free of charge; if only he'd actually read the papers before referencing them. His weird "theory", aside from being totally opaque, is as ad hoc as it gets. He identifies what he thinks are problems for the theory of evolution and arbitrarily declares them to be predictions of his own.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that he was banned from ISCID.

theyeti

Albion

Oh, you reckon they'll be getting round to actual science one of these millennia? That should be worth waiting for.

Alix Nenuphar

Thank you for the link - although these people continue to amaze me. It is clear I have led a very sheltered life. Do you have any more interesting forums I could go watch?

Quetzal

Whoohoo! So my great good friend Peter Borger has been banned from yet another site. It's pretty sad when even ISCID won't have anything to do with him.

If you want to know what Peter's all about, a little light reading is in order:

Molecular genetic evidence for a multipurpose genome

Does the climate direct mutations towards the ATP6 Gene?

Nucleotide sequence variation in ancient human mtDNA

Dr. Page’s best example of common descent easily – and better – explained by the GUToB

He recently got banned (after a year) from evcforum.net. Even the verrrry moderate site Admin there couldn't deal with him any more.

http://www.evcforum.net is a pretty good site. The site Admin is and one of the mods is a Christian evolutionist, one is agnostic, and two are YEC's (who are more absentee than present). The moderation is pretty good and even handed - although our friend Pangloss might disagree

pangloss

razza frakkin Moose....


As has been pointed out, idiot Borger has a distinct and predictable tendency to claim support fo rhis claims that are, in fact, contrary to them. For example, I once posted a list of articles demonstrating that 'directed mutations' are in fact artifacts of genome wide hypermutation, in direct cointrast to what his "theory" dictates. He "thanked me" for providing him with citations supportive of his claims.

Once he mentioned "Darwin in the Genome", a book by Lynn Caporale. He claimed it supported his thesis. She showed up on the board, and directlyy contradicted his claims. Yet he repeatedly insisted - even to her - that in fact her book supports him.

He is a nut.

NOTE ADDED: I see that he is STILL referencing Caporale's book to support his claims...

pangloss

How interesting. Was your prof relatively young? The PB you spoeak of is, indeed, Dutch, recently moved to Australia as a post doc...