Vinnie

I never denied anything. Moral ethical evil is not something that is created. It is something performed or done. God did create the possibility for it. I also stated that God did create PGF so I don't know what you are talking about.

Stop putting words into my mouth.

Vinnie

mike_decock

So your argument is basically:

1) God defined what evil was.
2) God created the potential for evil (free will) in his creation (man).
3) Man performs evil.
4) Therefore God did not create evil.

By the same logic.

1) I create a land mine.
2) The mine is designed to detonate when someone steps on it.
3) The detonation kills the unfortunate person.
4) Therefore, I did not kill anyone since I did not cause the mine to explode.



-Mike...

mark9950

The evil spirit from God.

Roland

Outside the gospels, Judas is not referred to in any Christian writing prior to the mid 2nd Century.

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Vinnie

Keep rolling them eyes. I already stated God was reponsible for natural evil (the equivalent of the land mine).

Vinnie

LostGirl

So, I'm no expert, nor do I have any real sources, but from what I understand, the Roman authorities (soldiers) did need to have Jesus pointed out to him; he was just another non-roman in a group of non-romans. The Jewish authorities were okay with it, because Jesus was causing an uproar anyways and if it went on then the Romans would come down hard on the Jews as a whole rather than just a few rabble-rousers.
Judas may or may not have been a willing participant. He was paid not as a lure for betrayal, but as Rome's standard way of making sure everything was on the up-and-up; they needed the information, therefore S.O.P. said the informant had to be paid for it. The question of whether Judas was forced into identifying Jesus does not (from what I've seen, secondhand sources, and so on) have much to do with whether he was paid to do so. He would have been paid in either case. He might have been forced to identify Jesus and have chosen the kiss as an opportunity to whisper a warning to him. It's impossible to say, but seeing as Judas was also described as being Jesus' best loved disciple, sitting at his left hand, carrying his most important messages (what he was doing when the soldiers accosted him). Not only that, but Jesus forgave him in advance before Judas left the Last Supper.

Please, if I'm wrong, I'd like to know. I damn the discovery channel from time to time.

Abel Stable

So how can God, the Supreme Ruler & Creator of everything, not create something? If He didn't create it, then where did it come from? Did it poof itself into existence? Since when did God the Ultimate Designer have restrictions on His powers? Do you credit God for creating good?

I don't understand. If there are things that God cannot make, then what made them? Whatever that thing is, it must be above God.

Evangelion

Correction: Judas was paid by the chief priests and scribes. He was neither bribed nor paid by the Romans.

Nor was it the Romans who arrested Jesus in the first place. It was (once again) the chief priests and scribes, who brought with them a group of armed men. Whether these were Jewish militia in the pay of Caiaphus or Roman soldiers sequestered from the garrison of Antonia, we are not told.

Either way, the decision to arrest Jesus was made by the Jews, not the Romans.

Vinnie

You must have missed where I pointed out that moral ethical evil (MEE) is not something that is created. Its nonsense to ask if God created MEE.. It is performed, not created. Its like asking if God can create run. Run is action that is done or performed. Mike can run down the hall but Mike cannot create run or give me a bag full of run. God cannot "create run" anymore than Mike can.

Vinnie

Abel Stable

No, I didn't miss that point in your post, I just don't see the reasoning behind it. How can you perform something that doesn't exist? You don't see people running around and whiffling do you?
The idea is that at first there was nothing, then came God and created everything. If God did not also create/define evil, then who/what did?