NightWatchman

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lost433
[B]Hi everyone,

I thought I'd submit my topic to this thread. A bit of background, I'm a Christian, but not really a bible thumper. Been very hurt by the church and feel it limits freethought. I disagree with many of its dogmas. But, basically I believe in God.

So, here's my question. If God, doesn't exist, what is life? What is the universe? Why and how is it you have a small blue ball that happens to be the only planet for miles/kilometers that supports life, and happens to have the right elements?

Is all of this beauty and intelligence just a fluke?

Please don't mistake this post for a bible thumping pro-God argument. I'd just like to hear your opinions and philosophies on the issue. I find the board a very interesting place for theological and philosophical discussions.

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Darth Dane

Joseph Campbell said a funny little thing:

"Life is meaningless. Humans give it meaning"

Who gives meaning to anything we see hear taste feel, experience think?

We ourselves do!





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Robert G. Ingersoll

The bible as pure metaphor - wow, that sure wraps the debate up.

I think NightWatchman may be on to something here. If he could just find a way to convince all the fundamentalists in the world to see things his way, wouldn't the world be a much better place?

NightWatchman

Robert the bible itself says that it is, not me, just read my post under its all symbols a few pages in the religious discussions.

The bible makes it very clear go and read.

NightWatchman

Robert this is exactly why the world is F.....up
because all those fundamentalist never read these verses, hell they never read the whole book anyway.
It has a far deeper meaning than you can imagine.
Im an athiest by religious standards, but I know the bible is mythology, and read it as such, and with the help of a good metaphysical dictionary any one can learn what all the sick stories mean.

Nightwatchman

rainbow walking

Hi lost433,
Welcome to the forums. Let's consider your questions carefully and what they reveal about your present mental state and the ramifications of where the answers to these questions might lead you.

I thought I'd submit my topic to this thread. A bit of background, I'm a Christian, but not really a bible thumper. Been very hurt by the church and feel it limits freethought. I disagree with many of its dogmas. But, basically I believe in God.

So, here's my question. If God, doesn't exist, what is life?


What is life if god does exist?

How did you come to the knowledge of god? It was either directly thru the church or indirectly thru the church, yes?

Either way, without the church you'd have no knowledge of god and thus no quandary about the purpose for your existence would plague you.

Ah, but you've been hurt, censored by the church; restricted and put in your place intellectually by the organization that introduced you to the knowledge of that which has inspired your imagination and stimulated your free thought.

My what a tangled web we've become. So, if your god has elected the church to be his official representation in this life, and you've been hurt by this representative what are the ramifications of an answer to the question of defining life IF god does exist?

Are you prepared to abandon your intellectual liberties and join yourself again to those dogmas that you don't like?


Or do you presume to cling to your beliefs while thumbing your nose at the church which is your god's willfully established representative on this blue dot in the universe?

Can you truly live a fulfilling life in willfull rebellion to your gods will?

If god doesn't exist, what is life? Let's consider what we do know without a shadow of doubt. We know that we exist. You know that you are alive. You know this more compellingly than you know that your god exists...if you are honest with us and yourself.

Start with what you know without making any allusions to what you assume. It is precisely the fact that because you are alive that you are adamantly seeking a purpose for being so.

But are you sincerely seeking or just looking for the easy answer? The church gave you the easy answer but was it the right answer. Apparently, for you, it wasn't enough of an answer to satisfy your quest.

What if I told you there is no one size fits all answer to that question? What if I told you that you are free, and even obligated, to make up your own answer? What if I told you that the answer isn't even that important? That there are alot of more crucial questions that would bring you closer to an answer to this one? Would you be willing to ask the right questions to arrive at an answer meaningful to you regardless of what that did to your present intellectual position?

What is the universe?

Oh, I don't know, perhaps it's a rather large incubator for you and me and all of us to grow into. A space suit with plenty of room for growth potential. A challenge to be met. A statement of the fact that we are capable and expected to fill it with answers, each one as unique and beautiful as we have the potential to be.

Why and how is it you have a small blue ball that happens to be the only planet for miles/kilometers that supports life, and happens to have the right elements?

It's a legal issue.

Is all of this beauty and intelligence just a fluke?

Are you absolutely certain that's the only answer without a god to lean on and fill in the gaps for you?

SecularFuture

lost433,
This is a philosophical question that warrants a philosophical answer. Life is what we make it, as individuals, to be.

A collection of galaxies within an infinite vacuum.

If you consider the total size of the universe, the total number of stars, and planets that exist around most stars – you would instantly realize that life was, essentially, inevitable. If you keep playing the deck, you will eventually hit straight aces.

It could have been. Without any empirical evidence, or reason, for the existence of a God, I am only left with a secular, yet rational, conclusion about the origins of our universe and personal existence.

Why do you believe in a God?

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NightWatchman,
And what are you basing this assumption on? Your personal beliefs? A book that you *believe* was inspired by a god? If there is no proof for the supernatural, there is no proof for your god, and the supernatural claims in your bible are not credible! There is no logical reason or evidence for anything of a supernatural nature or decent. You can only believe in God. You cannot prove his existence. In addition, since you are the one who is making the positive claim, the burden of proof lies on you!

(If you disagree, we can discuss this in detail within the “My Search for God Continues….” thread)

NightWatchman

Secular future, i dont believe in the religious idea of god, but if you read a specific article written by a scientist, about DNA, then you will see what i mean.

Consider the following, did you come here by yourself?
can you support yourself here?

The chinese call it the great Tao, how about CHI, the chinese word for life force. What ever you call it, this electromagnetic sea of waves and photons we live support all life on earth.
So is God Electrical in nature, forget religion, think about the following.


It's Electric

Now that we have considered the Biblical description
of God being not human but light, I think it is time to
take another small step and consider all of those
strange things religion has given us over the years.

I talk of Devils, and Demons, and Spirits, and Angels,
and Gods etc. Let us consider what they are, how
they effect us and what we can do about them.

There is only one invisible external force in the universe that can
change consciousness and in turn effect human life. That force
is electricity.

You can call it light, elecrro magnetism, or whatever. Its basis
is electricity. Every thought, every movement is electrical. Every
bit of information you receive or send gets translated into electricalpulses.

Thus what is the Devil, what are Demons, what is God what are
Angels. Electrical impulses. They cannot be anything else because your brain only reacts to invisible forces that are electricity. If the
current coursing through your brain is proper and the resistance is correct,it is good. It is God ,it is Angels.

If the current coursing through your brain is improper. It is too
strong, the resistance is improper. Then there is burn out, there
is rage. there is illness, there is violence. It is evil. It is the Devil
it is Demons.

But if the Devil is actually improper current causing burn out and
overheating (if you will), how do we overcome this.?

What does the Bible say.
James4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil,
and he will flee from you.

And if this is an overwhelming electrical current. How do we resist ?

Electrical Resistance is OHM

Is it a coincidence that in meditation the sound was raised and it
was OM. Of course not. For as the current travels through the
spine it encounters the chakras or resistors or nerves in the spinand the electrical energy arrives properly at the brain,not as
demons but as Angels. Not as the devil but as God.

Thus the external electrical energy can be God or the Devil. It
depends on whether we resist. We resist by meditating. For there is where the inner is quieted and the fire is cooled and the
current flows properly .

What happens to an appliance at home if the resistors fail. There is burn out. That is what has happened to all of us and thus we
live in a place of violence and rage. But now we know and now
we can go into the circuit and change the current.

Oh by the way. At the resurrection, Jesus said. They can find me
in Galilee. The word Galilee means circuit.

Eta Carina, Supernova, Helix, Fornax. The sky is watching and
sending healing to the earth. Enter within , be still, watch, so
the current that flows from the heavenly bodies will be healing
to your being and to the universe.

Now you know its true.

samaEL gabriEL, ELohim angEL

its all EL electricity. its the only thing that can animate life.

nightwatchman

SecularFuture

I already know about DNA, thank you.

Yes. Can you?