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sphinx wui · 05-18-2003, 10:28 PM

Loren wrote;
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Why not? There wasn't active shooting. They didn't have any reason to keep the canal closed. Thus so long as you did it as a civilian operation (no big pile of troops involved) I see no reason they would have interfered.

There were 80,000 Egyptian troops on the east bank of the canal to guarantee security including armored divisions!!!!!

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Why? You were the one unwilling to negotiate, you have no idea what they would have agreed to.

Read Rogers intitiative in 1970 (William Rogers was secretary of state in Nixon admin) and Israel refused it.

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Did Israel ever attack most of the Arab countries? No. The only aggressive actions I can think of are against Iraq (the reactor) and Lebanon (when they got tired of the terrorist bases there.) Why are the Arabs funding the terrorism?

Did you read Lavon Affair? The aggressive actions aginst Iraq was first bombing of Jesish tembles in Iraq to force Iraqi Jews to migrate to Israel ( one of them is Benjamin Bin Aliazar, former defense minister!!!!) what about the Suez crisis?
No body fund them except through international organizations and individually, I personally pay what ever I can for them, it is RESISTANCE, TERRORISM IS Israel.

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If they didn't care what the world thought they wouldn't keep making up stories about what happened. How about the so-called Jenin massacre?

It is exactly as the Jews making up stories about Auschwitz and the Holocaust!!!!.

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History will remember them for what they are: Murdering terrorists.

You mean the Jews, they are homless wondering gangs and check the OT if you don�t believe me.

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They have no idea of the true situation--their schools teach fiction for history.

I think you mean the fiction of the Torah that they brainwash their kids with it.

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The point is that by denying it you are showing that your knowledge of the world is seriously flawed. Why should we think you are any more accurate about anything else?

Don�t use �we� use �I� and the holocaust became a new religion which no body can doubt or what? You check accuracy according to a Holocaust parameter that I don�t know of? There is something called logic and critical thinking to check accuracy.

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The point is that what they claim happened is almost certainly a work of fiction. You'll find plenty more of it at the library, why don't you go get upset about some of that. Just because it's a story that blames Israel doesn't make it magically true.

you have the right to deny our fiction and we have the right to deny your fiction.

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Does any society note enemy deaths with anything like the attention they pay to their own?

If you are the aggressor and according to the humanity parameters you have to pay attention to them.

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It has nothing to do with Jew vs Palesntinian. It has to do with criminals vs law enforcement.
you mean thieves vs land owners?

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It's saying they support terrorism
I say they brainwash people

Good night,
Omar

Loren Pechtel · 05-19-2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by sphinx wui
Loren wrote;
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Why not? There wasn't active shooting. They didn't have any reason to keep the canal closed. Thus so long as you did it as a civilian operation (no big pile of troops involved) I see no reason they would have interfered.

There were 80,000 Egyptian troops on the east bank of the canal to guarantee security including armored divisions!!!!!

Well, Israel wouldn't have liked that many troops on the border but I don't think it would have interfered with opening the canal.

No body fund them except through international organizations and individually, I personally pay what ever I can for them, it is RESISTANCE, TERRORISM IS Israel.

In other words, you are a terrorist.

If they didn't care what the world thought they wouldn't keep making up stories about what happened. How about the so-called Jenin massacre?

It is exactly as the Jews making up stories about Auschwitz and the Holocaust!!!!.

1) You are not replying to the point at all.

2) There is plenty of evidence of the holocaust. Note how the evidence of the "Jenin massacre" faded away, anybody who pays attention to the news doesn't believe it anymore.

History will remember them for what they are: Murdering terrorists.

You mean the Jews, they are homless wondering gangs and check the OT if you don�t believe me.

Pay attention! I was describing the terrorists. Of course you have a hard time picturing yourself as a murderer (This is *NOT* name-calling--your actions amount to conspiracy to commit murder and terrorism under US law) so you don't see it this way.

They have no idea of the true situation--their schools teach fiction for history.

I think you mean the fiction of the Torah that they brainwash their kids with it.

Please pay attention to what you are replying to.

The point is that by denying it you are showing that your knowledge of the world is seriously flawed. Why should we think you are any more accurate about anything else?

Don�t use �we� use �I� and the holocaust became a new religion which no body can doubt or what? You check accuracy according to a Holocaust parameter that I don�t know of? There is something called logic and critical thinking to check accuracy.

If you were denying any other major event of world history I would feel the same way.

you have the right to deny our fiction and we have the right to deny your fiction.

Read that report with a critical eye. It is not internally consistent, therefore it is fiction.

Gurdur · 05-19-2003, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel

Note where he is from: Egypt! English is probably not his native language. Spelling mistakes are to be expected in such a situation.

I already noted that long ago; but given shinx wui's prejudices on people over 45, Jews, people supposedly with "brain calcifications", and people who disagree with him,
after all that, I was simply pointing out diplomatically that he might like to give the "brain calcification" abuse a rest till he cleans up his spelling.
An unfair blow, but not morally unjustifiable.

Darwin26 · 05-19-2003, 09:41 AM

What legal right does Israel have for being a nation ?

Doesn't it appear that Israel wants total domination of the once Palestine area? Yes thanks to the British the place is now a hell hole.

And doesn't it appear that Israel wants all Palestinians purged/removed from the soil that they now occupy?

The Civil Rights "movement" in America, the struggles for equality and the rights of first class citizenship for all Americans must be applied to the Palestinians. ...agains the overwhelming odds ...against the violent ravages of the Right Wing Israel govt, IDF,
against the supporters of that insipid, insidious Isreali Govt (the Xian Reich).
And i say the Xian Reich simply because the USA has nothing to gain from supporting Israel. They don't have oil or anything US foreign or Domestic policy needs ... they don't promote stability ...They do a good job of oppressing a people who have a right to be free on this land called Palestine.

There is no way that the Palestinian can carry on the civil disobedience that served the Negro in America... Yet they have the same desire and need for freedom on their own land. Land continually raided by jewish squatters and usurped for their own.

Why are these settlements allowed at all ? What right do they have to make these settelments.

Last When will Israel comply with UN resolution 671?

yguy · 05-19-2003, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by sphinx wui
To Yguy,

You think it is fun or a job to blow yourself up?

Heck no - which is probably why the parents don't do it.

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If you ask me to shot somebody from a distance and offer me 100.000 $ I will think about it but if you offer me 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 $ to blow myself and kill somebody else or promise me to give this money to my family you think I will accept!

If you are taught from birth to hate a race of people, you can be induced to do almost anything.

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You want them to be slaughtered in silence

I don't want anyone to be slaughtered besides terrorists. Yassir Arafat and his ilk want everyone to be slaughtered who ISN'T a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer.

Loren Pechtel · 05-19-2003, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Gurdur
I already noted that long ago; but given shinx wui's prejudices on people over 45, Jews, people supposedly with "brain calcifications", and people who disagree with him,
after all that, I was simply pointing out diplomatically that he might like to give the "brain calcification" abuse a rest till he cleans up his spelling.
An unfair blow, but not morally unjustifiable.

Spelling is a *LOT* harder for someone learning a language later in life. I'm married to one such--I don't ever expect her to spell anywhere near as well as Shinx does.

Loren Pechtel · 05-19-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by sphinx wui
The point is that by denying it you are showing that your knowledge of the world is seriously flawed. Why should we think you are any more accurate about anything else?

Don�t use �we� use �I� and the holocaust became a new religion which no body can doubt or what? You check accuracy according to a Holocaust parameter that I don�t know of? There is something called logic and critical thinking to check accuracy.

After replying earlier I started a poll about the holocaust. It's running 95% that believe it happened. Therefore I think my use of "we" is justified.

PalestineChic19 · 05-19-2003, 05:36 PM

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Why are these settlements allowed at all ? What right do they have to make these settelments.

Last When will Israel comply with UN resolution 671?

Never. Israel is completely above international law apparently, in a sickening way. And this is not first time. Look at all UN resolutions Isreal violated. Notice how many times the UN tells them to leave Lebanon and stop the invasion. over 10 times. with no international reprocussions.

Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".

* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".

* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".

* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".

* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".

* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".

* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".

* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".

* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".

* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".

* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".

* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".

* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".

* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".

* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".

*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".

* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".

* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".

* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".

* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".

* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".

* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".

* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".

* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".

* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".

* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".

* Resolution 347: " . . .'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".

* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".

* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".

* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".

* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".

* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".

* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".

* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".

* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".

* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians".

* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".

* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".

* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".

* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors".

* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".

* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".

* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".

* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".

* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".

* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in".

* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".

* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".

* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".

* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia and attack on PLO headquarters.

* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".

* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".

* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.

* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".

* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.

* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.

* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.

* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.

* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.

* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.

* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for there immediate return.

well there you've got it. now try tell me that Israel is treated like any other country. Every time palestine has one little slip-up, the international world is all over it. Isreal is in violation of over 40 UN sanctions, and nothing. tell me how this is fair.

-Samirah

Darwin26 · 05-19-2003, 06:28 PM

....copied the broken UN Resolutions and E-mailing to my Senators and Congressman ...who happen to be Jewish btw.
thank you PalestinePollita

i believe that Resolution 671 calls for the total nuclear disarmament of all nations in the middle east... which is ...you guessed it Israel... non-complient as usual.

And i say again the terrorist bombing would stop if you gave the Palestinians Equal Armaments and Ordinance.

Keep in mind the French Freedom fighters during WWII in France would have had been considered Terrorists as they fought to unyoke the Nazi's from their neck.

Dr Rick · 05-19-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Darwin26
What legal right does Israel have for being a nation ?

The United Nations partition of 1947; there's lots and lots of good reasons to criticise the practical and legal implications of the partition, but does the United States of America have a stronger legal right of nationhood?

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Originally posted by sphinx wui
Those people there land got STOLEN from them by the Jews..

That's the equivalent of asserting that "those New Yorkers in the WTC were murdered by Muslims" or "those Rwandans were butchered by Negroes"; all three smack of racism.

It is not criminal to be Muslim, Black, or Jewish.

The responsibility for the actions of Israel rests with Israel and its patrons; it is wrong to condemn all Jews by mere association. Many Jews and many Americans cheer the actions of the Israeli nation, but many others condemn them. Painting them all with the same broad brush is neither accurate nor decent.

The homelessness of the Palestinians did not begin in 1947 with the partition; its origins are much more complex than that suggested by labeling the whole affair has one of "stolen'" lands:

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"But did the Palestinian refugee problem begin around Israel's Independence War? No, it started much earlier. Over the last decade, some Israeli historians of the Arab-Israeli conflict have claimed in scholarly writings that there was collusion between the Zionists and the Jordanians to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state in 1948 and the intention to drive out Palestinians.

Whether their assertion has merit or not, collusion did take place between Jewish land buyers and resident Palestinian (not absentee) Arab sellers, all during the Zionist's drive to create a territorial base in Eretz Yisrael. That collusion initiated the displacement of Palestinian peasants from lands they habitually cultivated; Palestinian refugees were created by Israel's struggle for independence, but their landlessness started decades before the 1947 United Nations partition vote to divide Palestine into an Arab and Jewish state.

If anyone has any doubts, go look in the Zionist Archives, read the Palestine Arab press in the 1930s, or check the Palestine Land Department files.

Himi Husayni, a British district officer in the Arab district of Jenin in Palestine, wrote the following to a fellow official in the British administration on August 16, 1930:

"It is believed that everyone of the (name of an Arab notable family member) is going to sell to the Jewish National Fund or any other person whom they will find, but owing to the fact that they [the Arab sellers] are afraid to lose their moral prestige amongst the inhabitants because of such sales, they are borrowing money from the JNF and making secret arrangements in which they agree to sell their mortgaged share by public auction, simply to show the public that they were unable to refund the money borrowed and that they were obliged to accept the sale which was affected through the court. And in the meantime, this process relieves them from the rights of the cultivators which will be claimed should the lands be sold in the ordinary way."

Palestinian Arab newspapers in the 1930s acknowledged the horror of Arab lands sales to Jews and displacement of Arab peasants Al-Jami'a al-'Arabiyyah said in September 1934, "By selling, they [the Arabs] sell the blood and remains of their fathers." The staunchly Palestinian Arab nationalist paper, al-Difa' in November 1934, asked, "Is it human that the covetous should store store capital or evict the peasant from his land and make him homeless or even sometimes a criminal? The frightened Arab who fears for his future today melts from fear when he imagines his offspring as homeless and as criminals who cannot look at the lands of their fathers."

Palestinian Arab peasants were initially made landless and homeless by Arab land sales to Zionists. One of the motivations for the 1939 British White Paper was to halt Jewish land sales, and as British Colonial Office official John Shuckburgh said in 1940, "The Arab [needed] to be protected against himself." The displacement of Palestinian peasants from their lands can be traced back to the 19th century when all over the Levantine area large-landed estates were created and one-time peasant owners fell upon hard economic times and gave up ownership rights to urban notables and landlords.

Palestinians were displaced by the struggle to control Palestine, first among themselves, then between Palestinians and the Zionists, and then between the Israelis and surrounding Arab countries. Forget the debate about why they left: some left of their own accord, some were driven out as noted in the Hebrew edition of Yitzhak Rabin;s memoirs... who is morally responsible for the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem? Was it the British for allowing and controlling the Jewish national home's development? Was it the Zionists for using covert methods in buying land and in immigrating Jews to Palestine, and then asserting their new found power to defeat the Arab armies in 1948-49? Was it the Palestinian landowner who helped the Zionists establish a foothold in Palestine, and the void in Palestinian Arab political leadership and inter-Arab rivalries that helped Israel establish itself? Was the Palestinian Arab himself responsible because he decided it was more important to save his family in time of war than retain property or remain as a tenant on land he or his family once owned outright? The answer is all of the above.

The second part of the contemporary bottom line is: Palestinian refugees must be resettled. Palestinian refugee camps must go; they foster economic squalor and remain breeding grounds for anti-Israeli feeling; economic development must accompany Palestinian refugee resettlement.

Compensation should also be considered for Jews who were forced to leave Arab lands in the same time period. History did not begin in 1948."

quoted from: Kenneth W. Stein, Professor of Middle Eastern History and Political Science at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia; author of Heroic Diplomacy: Sadat. Kissinger, Carter, Begin and the Quest for Arab-Israeli Peace, Routledge, 1999, and The Land Question in Palestine: 1917-1939, North Carolina Press, 1984.

05-19-2003, 09:41 AM	#284
Darwin26 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Encino, CA Posts: 806	legal rights What legal right does Israel have for being a nation ? Doesn't it appear that Israel wants total domination of the once Palestine area? Yes thanks to the British the place is now a hell hole. And doesn't it appear that Israel wants all Palestinians purged/removed from the soil that they now occupy? The Civil Rights "movement" in America, the struggles for equality and the rights of first class citizenship for all Americans must be applied to the Palestinians. ...agains the overwhelming odds ...against the violent ravages of the Right Wing Israel govt, IDF, against the supporters of that insipid, insidious Isreali Govt (the Xian Reich). And i say the Xian Reich simply because the USA has nothing to gain from supporting Israel. They don't have oil or anything US foreign or Domestic policy needs ... they don't promote stability ...They do a good job of oppressing a people who have a right to be free on this land called Palestine. There is no way that the Palestinian can carry on the civil disobedience that served the Negro in America... Yet they have the same desire and need for freedom on their own land. Land continually raided by jewish squatters and usurped for their own. Why are these settlements allowed at all ? What right do they have to make these settelments. Last When will Israel comply with UN resolution 671?

05-19-2003, 06:28 PM	#289
Darwin26 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Encino, CA Posts: 806	Now we're talkin ....copied the broken UN Resolutions and E-mailing to my Senators and Congressman ...who happen to be Jewish btw. thank you PalestinePollita i believe that Resolution 671 calls for the total nuclear disarmament of all nations in the middle east... which is ...you guessed it Israel... non-complient as usual. And i say again the terrorist bombing would stop if you gave the Palestinians Equal Armaments and Ordinance. Keep in mind the French Freedom fighters during WWII in France would have had been considered Terrorists as they fought to unyoke the Nazi's from their neck.

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sphinx wui Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: egypt Posts: 253	Loren wrote; . Why not? There wasn't active shooting. They didn't have any reason to keep the canal closed. Thus so long as you did it as a civilian operation (no big pile of troops involved) I see no reason they would have interfered. There were 80,000 Egyptian troops on the east bank of the canal to guarantee security including armored divisions!!!!! and Why? You were the one unwilling to negotiate, you have no idea what they would have agreed to. Read Rogers intitiative in 1970 (William Rogers was secretary of state in Nixon admin) and Israel refused it. and Did Israel ever attack most of the Arab countries? No. The only aggressive actions I can think of are against Iraq (the reactor) and Lebanon (when they got tired of the terrorist bases there.) Why are the Arabs funding the terrorism? Did you read Lavon Affair? The aggressive actions aginst Iraq was first bombing of Jesish tembles in Iraq to force Iraqi Jews to migrate to Israel ( one of them is Benjamin Bin Aliazar, former defense minister!!!!) what about the Suez crisis? No body fund them except through international organizations and individually, I personally pay what ever I can for them, it is RESISTANCE, TERRORISM IS Israel. and If they didn't care what the world thought they wouldn't keep making up stories about what happened. How about the so-called Jenin massacre? It is exactly as the Jews making up stories about Auschwitz and the Holocaust!!!!. and History will remember them for what they are: Murdering terrorists. You mean the Jews, they are homless wondering gangs and check the OT if you don�t believe me. and They have no idea of the true situation--their schools teach fiction for history. I think you mean the fiction of the Torah that they brainwash their kids with it. and The point is that by denying it you are showing that your knowledge of the world is seriously flawed. Why should we think you are any more accurate about anything else? Don�t use �we� use �I� and the holocaust became a new religion which no body can doubt or what? You check accuracy according to a Holocaust parameter that I don�t know of? There is something called logic and critical thinking to check accuracy. and The point is that what they claim happened is almost certainly a work of fiction. You'll find plenty more of it at the library, why don't you go get upset about some of that. Just because it's a story that blames Israel doesn't make it magically true. you have the right to deny our fiction and we have the right to deny your fiction. and Does any society note enemy deaths with anything like the attention they pay to their own? If you are the aggressor and according to the humanity parameters you have to pay attention to them. and It has nothing to do with Jew vs Palesntinian. It has to do with criminals vs law enforcement. you mean thieves vs land owners? and It's saying they support terrorism I say they brainwash people Good night, Omar

05-19-2003, 08:33 AM	#282
Loren Pechtel Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Not Mayaned Posts: 96,752	Originally posted by sphinx wui Loren wrote; . Why not? There wasn't active shooting. They didn't have any reason to keep the canal closed. Thus so long as you did it as a civilian operation (no big pile of troops involved) I see no reason they would have interfered. There were 80,000 Egyptian troops on the east bank of the canal to guarantee security including armored divisions!!!!! Well, Israel wouldn't have liked that many troops on the border but I don't think it would have interfered with opening the canal. No body fund them except through international organizations and individually, I personally pay what ever I can for them, it is RESISTANCE, TERRORISM IS Israel. In other words, you are a terrorist. If they didn't care what the world thought they wouldn't keep making up stories about what happened. How about the so-called Jenin massacre? It is exactly as the Jews making up stories about Auschwitz and the Holocaust!!!!. 1) You are not replying to the point at all. 2) There is plenty of evidence of the holocaust. Note how the evidence of the "Jenin massacre" faded away, anybody who pays attention to the news doesn't believe it anymore. History will remember them for what they are: Murdering terrorists. You mean the Jews, they are homless wondering gangs and check the OT if you don�t believe me. Pay attention! I was describing the terrorists. Of course you have a hard time picturing yourself as a murderer (This is NOT name-calling--your actions amount to conspiracy to commit murder and terrorism under US law) so you don't see it this way. They have no idea of the true situation--their schools teach fiction for history. I think you mean the fiction of the Torah that they brainwash their kids with it. Please pay attention to what you are replying to. The point is that by denying it you are showing that your knowledge of the world is seriously flawed. Why should we think you are any more accurate about anything else? Don�t use �we� use �I� and the holocaust became a new religion which no body can doubt or what? You check accuracy according to a Holocaust parameter that I don�t know of? There is something called logic and critical thinking to check accuracy. If you were denying any other major event of world history I would feel the same way. you have the right to deny our fiction and we have the right to deny your fiction. Read that report with a critical eye. It is not internally consistent, therefore it is fiction.

05-19-2003, 11:03 AM	#287
Loren Pechtel Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Not Mayaned Posts: 96,752	Originally posted by sphinx wui The point is that by denying it you are showing that your knowledge of the world is seriously flawed. Why should we think you are any more accurate about anything else? Don�t use �we� use �I� and the holocaust became a new religion which no body can doubt or what? You check accuracy according to a Holocaust parameter that I don�t know of? There is something called logic and critical thinking to check accuracy. After replying earlier I started a poll about the holocaust. It's running 95% that believe it happened. Therefore I think my use of "we" is justified.

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