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DarkBronzePlant · 07-29-2003, 10:22 AM

I'm probably too much of a control freak; that aspect of my pesonality forces me to use a hand editor for all HTML. Which is fine anyway, because typically I do template work anyway, and the real HTML content is generated via Java or PHP or whatever.

Even when I am doing programming, I rarely use an IDE if it will at all attempt to generate any code for me. I'm trying to convince myself that it's sometimes a good idea to let an application generate some of my code for me, to give myself a break, but so far it's not working...

emotional · 07-29-2003, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by DarkBronzePlant
I'm probably too much of a control freak;

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Even when I am doing programming, I rarely use an IDE if it will at all attempt to generate any code for me. I'm trying to convince myself that it's sometimes a good idea to let an application generate some of my code for me, to give myself a break, but so far it's not working...

I suppose you like programming in machine language (hex codes or the crutch of assembly language)? That's the most control you can ever get.

Aravnah Ornan · 07-29-2003, 10:48 AM

Me Thag. Thag wear mastodon skin. Thag edit Web pages with bare-bones text editor.

Thag once try BillGatesSoft product to make Web pages. Thag no like. Spend much time smash extraneous formatting codes with club.

DarkBronzePlant · 07-29-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by emotional

I suppose you like programming in machine language (hex codes or the crutch of assembly language)? That's the most control you can ever get.

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Funny you bring that up. I'm too "young" of a programmer to have had a reason to get into machine/assembly languages. But at some point, I would like to try learning it, "for fun." As I watch myself typing these words, I realize that I am sick and need help.

Aravnah Ornan · 07-29-2003, 04:42 PM

Upon re-reading my post, I realized that it could be subject to misinterpretation. I was not referring to anyone except myself. Honest.

Heathen · 07-29-2003, 06:39 PM

I hand code mine; that's how I learned how. I'm too set in my ways to try anything else.

Shpongle · 07-29-2003, 09:26 PM

I've gotten so used to hand-coding web sites, that I find it faster than trying to use a WYSIWIG editor.

WYSIWIG editors do have their advantages for site management, though.

Defiant Heretic · 07-30-2003, 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by DarkBronzePlant
Funny you bring that up. I'm too "young" of a programmer to have had a reason to get into machine/assembly languages. But at some point, I would like to try learning it, "for fun." As I watch myself typing these words, I realize that I am sick and need help.

No, you're sane. You have to be sane, because I plan on doing the same thing and...oh.

lowmagnet · 07-30-2003, 04:59 AM

I run my one and only site mostly by hand:

The site's layout in acheived via a XML/XSL combination and interpreted with PHP's sabolotron library.

Pages are written in a format of my own design which tells the engine which 'side' content to include on a page, who the author is, etc. I haven't have a chance to work on it recently, however, and it is due for an upgrade.

I edit both the pages and content code in vi. check all of my xml files with xmllint.

If I ever develop my engine well enough to handle large scale commercial sites like coldfusion does, I'll definately put the source out there.

</parttimewebgeek>

Rusting Car Bumper · 07-30-2003, 07:34 AM

I use GoLive. Its not just the coding thats an issue. Its file management and repition and I think GoLive handles these well.

It also let's me incorporate Photoshop files directly in which saves a lot of busy work.

I found Dreamweaver to have one of the most horrible user interfaces invented. I can't believe anyone thought it was a good idea.

I first learned HTML when reverse engineering weppages back in 1994. Wow. Its coming on 10 years...

DC

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07-29-2003, 10:22 AM	#21
DarkBronzePlant Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 3,568	I'm probably too much of a control freak; that aspect of my pesonality forces me to use a hand editor for all HTML. Which is fine anyway, because typically I do template work anyway, and the real HTML content is generated via Java or PHP or whatever. Even when I am doing programming, I rarely use an IDE if it will at all attempt to generate any code for me. I'm trying to convince myself that it's sometimes a good idea to let an application generate some of my code for me, to give myself a break, but so far it's not working...

07-29-2003, 10:48 AM	#23
Aravnah Ornan Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA, Faith-Based States of Jesusland Posts: 1,794	Me Thag. Thag wear mastodon skin. Thag edit Web pages with bare-bones text editor. Thag once try BillGatesSoft product to make Web pages. Thag no like. Spend much time smash extraneous formatting codes with club.

07-29-2003, 04:42 PM	#25
Aravnah Ornan Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA, Faith-Based States of Jesusland Posts: 1,794	Upon re-reading my post, I realized that it could be subject to misinterpretation. I was not referring to anyone except myself. Honest.

07-29-2003, 06:39 PM	#26
Heathen Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 200	I hand code mine; that's how I learned how. I'm too set in my ways to try anything else.

07-29-2003, 09:26 PM	#27
Shpongle Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frozen North Posts: 9,920	I've gotten so used to hand-coding web sites, that I find it faster than trying to use a WYSIWIG editor. WYSIWIG editors do have their advantages for site management, though.

07-30-2003, 04:59 AM	#29
lowmagnet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Raleigh, NC Posts: 959	I run my one and only site mostly by hand: The site's layout in acheived via a XML/XSL combination and interpreted with PHP's sabolotron library. Pages are written in a format of my own design which tells the engine which 'side' content to include on a page, who the author is, etc. I haven't have a chance to work on it recently, however, and it is due for an upgrade. I edit both the pages and content code in vi. check all of my xml files with xmllint. If I ever develop my engine well enough to handle large scale commercial sites like coldfusion does, I'll definately put the source out there. </parttimewebgeek>

07-30-2003, 07:34 AM	#30
Rusting Car Bumper Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 4,171	I use GoLive. Its not just the coding thats an issue. Its file management and repition and I think GoLive handles these well. It also let's me incorporate Photoshop files directly in which saves a lot of busy work. I found Dreamweaver to have one of the most horrible user interfaces invented. I can't believe anyone thought it was a good idea. I first learned HTML when reverse engineering weppages back in 1994. Wow. Its coming on 10 years... DC

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