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Old 05-03-2003, 08:18 AM   #81
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Speaking about hate, did any body here read the �Talmud�
Yes, I have.
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it is a master piece in hate
Rubbish.
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and what about the �Yeshiva� schools in America?
What about them ?
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Was William Shakespeare a Muslim when he wrote �merchant of Venice� with its infamous character �Chilock� which stigmatized the Jews forever by greed and selfishness?
Shylock, not Chilock. But since when does Western antisemitism justify Arab antisemitism ?
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Did any body read �the Divine comedy�by Dante alighiere,
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which became a basic element in forming the European psyche in medieval Europe? Check the inferno section and you will find Saladin, Mohamed and Ali there!!!!
Since when does Western prejudice agaisnt Moslems and Arabs justify Arab prejudice against Jews ?
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Old 05-03-2003, 08:49 AM   #82
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i like your surgical strikes but i don't like the spelling lesson, i read it in Arabic so for me i translated it from Arabic to English and i think i came near and the evidence is that you understand what i mean. shifting the argument from the content of it to the spelling is MIXING CARDS which i don't like.

i can guarantee you that you will never miss me in action and here is a peaceful samples from the Talmud as an appetizer for the heavy meal to come

Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Insults Against Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

why you don't elaborate for a while on Yeshiva schools and their curiculum.

Arab antisemitism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! racialy Arabs are Semites, so they are antithemselves.

i will be back today.
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When dealing with Loren Pechtel, you should basically consider him to be a Zionist. As far as I can tell, he considers the Israelis as being incapable of doing wrong. While my opinion should not be considered as being exhaustive, nor authoritative, I've never seen a single instance where he's ever criticized Israel's actions. He's always defended their actions, regardless of what they were.

Loren, if I have mischaractarized you, feel free to post links to threads where you have criticized the Israelis.
I have criticized the Israelis several times. They never should have built the settlements in the first place. However, that's long ago and not realisitically undone.

However, for the most part I think their behavior is understandable if you look at the situation for what it is: A war. Most of the actions for which they are criticized are only wrong when you look at it as a police matter.
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Sure we can. If that's true, then the American Indians have every right to reclaim the land taken from them by the European invaders. Hell, every displaced race has the right to demand their ancestoral land back. Why should the Jews deserve special merit?
Israel probably never should have been created in the first place. However, that's ancient history. We need to work with reality.
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Beautiful Omar! Your spelling and syntax are excellent...not to mention the deep and extremely important content of your work...these are not just posts sir. Continue. But for sure i wish you peace and great sex not a life nose to nose with the mental derelict O' Reilly's ...here or anywhere.
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Loren Petchel defended the "right" of the Israeli bulldozer driver to run over the american peace activist, so I wouldn't give much credence to anything he says.
Try to keep a soldier away from his target and what do you expect?
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First, you discredit her post in one line! You have credibility detector or what? And you didn�t tell you discredit Ha�artez or palestinechic?

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Egypt is not the whole Arab world

Egypt is the heart and Mind of the Arab world and what about Jordon?.
You didn�t comment about the link that I put about Lavon affair! I wish I can hear your comment.
The point is that peaceful actions on the part of Egypt do not mean that the rest of the Arabs are not supporting terrorism.

If one line is sufficient to discredit something why should I use more?
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I have criticized the Israelis several times. They never should have built the settlements in the first place. However, that's long ago and not realisitically undone.
Of course it is. They can withdraw from those settlements.

Actually, as far as I know this is the first time I've ever seen you criticize the Israelis. I notice that it's the kind of criticism that let's them get away with it.

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However, for the most part I think their behavior is understandable if you look at the situation for what it is: A war. Most of the actions for which they are criticized are only wrong when you look at it as a police matter.
I'm English. I lived with terrorism courtesy of the IRA. It's not a war. It is a police matter.
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Try to keep a soldier away from his target and what do you expect?
I don't expect a soldier to commit murder. Oh, and don't forget, his target was a civilian's home. He wasn't in combat. But I guess that was in the past and can't readily be undone.
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Israel probably never should have been created in the first place. However, that's ancient history. We need to work with reality.
Really? Yet you expect those suffering the consequences of the creation of that country to basically forgive and forget. How readily would you roll over and surrender if the US was invaded? I mean, that would become ancient history in a few years.
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