hinduwoman

At the village Moira, in north Goa, during Portugese rule, a Siva temple was destroyed and replaced by a church dedicated to the Immaculate Conception of Mary. The builder had no idea what the Sivalinga meant and used it as a pedestal for the holy water basin.
Linga and the perpetual Virgin --- are they sure God was not trying to tell them something?

Since this is a true story I did not put it in the humour forum.

Spaz

Hahaha, I guess that's what happens when they just don't understand cultures and instead just force beliefs

abe smith

The Immaculate Conception of the alleged Virgin Mary took place (Catholicism holds) in *an ordinary sexual act* performed by *her own* parents. There was nothing A-sexual about it. All the title means is that Mary the human Mother of their lord is alleged to have been , from the moment of HER OWN conception, free of the human taint of Original Sin, which all of us are said to bear from our original sinning "parents", Adam & Eve. (By the way, Thos Aquinas thought /said that Mary was NOT free of Original Sin.)

The allegedly *A*-sexual = parthenogenetic/ "virginal" (conception and ) birth refers to Mary's SON, Jesus; who, Roman Catholic dogma asserts, never had a human Father and was not conceived in an act of human two-person/parent sexual intercourse.
Hence the subject here under consideration is moot; because the labels have been mixedup as so invariably ever-heretofore.

quartodeciman

hinduwoman,

Surfing through sivalinga/shivalinga references, I find some discrimination in talk between something called the 'builder' type of linga and something called the 'phallic' linga. Is this a real distinction and is it known which kind was in the Moira temple?

Thanks,

quart

Volker.Doormann

Dear hindowoman,

because there is mostly no knowledge about the roots of the symbols 'creating life' in Judaism, Christianity, but also in Islam, I have placed some mostly unknown background data about the rituals and symbols taken from the Vedic religion on my page. doormann.org/the0.htm + doormann.org/the4.htm. Many of the symbols are not only symbols of life, they are also used since many thousand years in astrology, to characterize reborn souls. All twelve astrological houses are symbols of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva (cardinal, preserving, and renewing) for each of the four elements of fire, air, water and earth.

Best

Volker

hinduwoman

Abesmith, the title might be mixed up, but I did that to get attention.
However the linga standing before the Virgin pretty much says it all.

It seems to be a plain oldfashioned phallic linga.
As far as I can make out, phallic linga was first and original, as symbol of fertility. lLater it got promoted to symbol of creative energy.

abe smith

Perhaps 2 different linguae? = spelling(s)? I recollect having formerly seen that implement called the *LINGAM*? heck who cares we all know what we're talking about.... Tis true, ne? Indian women pour offerings of milk, butter? about/over this . And what about the complementary member of the pair, the YONI (?).

hinduwoman

Yoni is the female organ.
The lingam embedded in yoni is the commonest icon of Siva.

quiet right too! What would a lonely phallus do all by itself?

abe smith

uh..... Fivefinger exercises are reputed to be one of its (pre-)occupations ; but in a NON-Calvinist all-in-one-piece culture like most of those of the East, perhaps these Occidental considerations need not apply... Oh wow man, those carvings, splendidly-writhing! of the caves.....