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crocodile deathroll · 01-23-2002, 12:42 PM

A Googolplex years in the Grave

One thing I feel is pretty fundamental to consciousness is the "perception of time" as one can't be aware of any passage of time while they are completely unconscious, and you could not be more unconscious than the state of death.
Now to put all this in a nutshell, you will not be the slightest bit aware of a "googolplex years" or 10^10^100 years unconsciousness in the grave, but you will be full aware of just one solitary second while you are conscious. I found that even the number as incomprensible as the googolplex would just pass by unnoticed as we lay in our grave, so that really set me thinking.

The parts of the which are responsible like the basal ganglia will die along with it which will destroy all of our perception of time. Not only that but we will also lose our sense place in space in time and we will have absolutely what in the universe belongs to the future and what belongs to the past, and would be exactly as though you had never been born at all in the first place. This is purely because our perception of a past present and future is purely subjective and there is not past present and future external to our perceptions. There is no universal "present" it is only just another point a vector relative to a event that comes to one's conscious attention. All events in the universe are in fact equally real from the big bang to the last new events you observe on CNN. So in a nutshell, there is no privileged "present moment" for the universe as a whole.

So when we die then universe does not continue to take us along on its present moment after we die because that is just an illusion. After we die we just lost or sense of place and time and it would be subjectively like the universe had never existed in the first place. So theoretically we have the potential to be born anywhere and become anyone. And to become someone you have to begin at first with neural stem cells and you are collectively one with all neural stem cells that have exists on Earth throughout every event in history where neural stem cell are possible. I would be then like one great neurosphere when you plot all this neural matter all over the Earth all throughout time. Neuropheres really denotes a cluster of neural stem cell that become differentiated as the embryo develops, but it can also mean another component of the earth's biosphere like a shell of plotted matter scattered around the earth at any one time. It is the presence all neural stem cells when observed in isolation.

To accumulate memory efficiently, you cannot continue along as a collective global cluster of stem cells scattered around the earth, you will just randomly switch to some of the more well advanced bundle of neural stem cells and continue on from there. This theory will sure make it very easy to be born at all in the first place as you do not have begin at a certain given place at a certain given time like the union of a single sperm with a certain egg which is extremely improbable odds to begin with. I fact one existence being contingent on the "sperm meets egg scenario" is in my mind an extremely improbable theory. I feel being at one at first with all neural matter on earth "past present and future" is a more plausible theory.

crocodile deathroll

tronvillain · 01-23-2002, 01:12 PM

A thought occurs to me: If time is going to be called a dimension, why isn't it treated like one? Specifically, why isn't matter considered to be moving in time like it does in space?

If it is, then the present is more real than the past or the future - it's where the matter is. Of course, this would make time travel pointless, since there wouldn't be anything at your destination.

tronvillain · 01-23-2002, 01:14 PM

That aside, your post falls apart right here:

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So theoretically we have the potential to be born anywhere and become anyone

Everything that follows is gibberish.

fred pratt · 01-23-2002, 01:41 PM

What if we were to consider time as a dimension that like space depends upon matter for its existence. If matter did not exist, or was not constantly changing on the elementary particulate level and/or the spacial location level, then no dimensions would be necessary. Assuming a vantage point from within stationary matter at a temperature of absolute zero in a case where no other matter existed, for example, illustrates this to some extent, though not completely, because while the necessity for time would cease, and therefore time itself, space would still be required to contain the matter. Were the matter cease to exist, its space requirement would as well, and thus its contingent space would also cease.

No matter, no space/time...

[ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: fred pratt ]</p>

Ism Schism. · 01-23-2002, 01:50 PM

I know what you are talking about, but it is hard to put into words. I used to take acid on occasion, so thoughts just like that have crept up on me unaware; I once sat on the side of my house, while looking at the stars, thinking about just that for 4 hours in the middle of the night before. It was the deepest thinking I've ever done, and still I could not come anywhere near close to cracking what I was thinking about. It's mindboggling, but if time and the universe is infinite, the chances that I(loosely) will acquire "self" again, are at least theoretically possible. There is currently not enough info to know anything much at all, except what we have in front of us -- which isn't much at all.

[ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: Ism Schism. ]</p>

01-23-2002, 12:42 PM	#1
crocodile deathroll Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Darwin Posts: 1,466	A Googolplex years in the Grave A Googolplex years in the Grave One thing I feel is pretty fundamental to consciousness is the "perception of time" as one can't be aware of any passage of time while they are completely unconscious, and you could not be more unconscious than the state of death. Now to put all this in a nutshell, you will not be the slightest bit aware of a "googolplex years" or 10^10^100 years unconsciousness in the grave, but you will be full aware of just one solitary second while you are conscious. I found that even the number as incomprensible as the googolplex would just pass by unnoticed as we lay in our grave, so that really set me thinking. The parts of the which are responsible like the basal ganglia will die along with it which will destroy all of our perception of time. Not only that but we will also lose our sense place in space in time and we will have absolutely what in the universe belongs to the future and what belongs to the past, and would be exactly as though you had never been born at all in the first place. This is purely because our perception of a past present and future is purely subjective and there is not past present and future external to our perceptions. There is no universal "present" it is only just another point a vector relative to a event that comes to one's conscious attention. All events in the universe are in fact equally real from the big bang to the last new events you observe on CNN. So in a nutshell, there is no privileged "present moment" for the universe as a whole. So when we die then universe does not continue to take us along on its present moment after we die because that is just an illusion. After we die we just lost or sense of place and time and it would be subjectively like the universe had never existed in the first place. So theoretically we have the potential to be born anywhere and become anyone. And to become someone you have to begin at first with neural stem cells and you are collectively one with all neural stem cells that have exists on Earth throughout every event in history where neural stem cell are possible. I would be then like one great neurosphere when you plot all this neural matter all over the Earth all throughout time. Neuropheres really denotes a cluster of neural stem cell that become differentiated as the embryo develops, but it can also mean another component of the earth's biosphere like a shell of plotted matter scattered around the earth at any one time. It is the presence all neural stem cells when observed in isolation. To accumulate memory efficiently, you cannot continue along as a collective global cluster of stem cells scattered around the earth, you will just randomly switch to some of the more well advanced bundle of neural stem cells and continue on from there. This theory will sure make it very easy to be born at all in the first place as you do not have begin at a certain given place at a certain given time like the union of a single sperm with a certain egg which is extremely improbable odds to begin with. I fact one existence being contingent on the "sperm meets egg scenario" is in my mind an extremely improbable theory. I feel being at one at first with all neural matter on earth "past present and future" is a more plausible theory. crocodile deathroll

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01-23-2002, 01:12 PM	#2
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	A thought occurs to me: If time is going to be called a dimension, why isn't it treated like one? Specifically, why isn't matter considered to be moving in time like it does in space? If it is, then the present is more real than the past or the future - it's where the matter is. Of course, this would make time travel pointless, since there wouldn't be anything at your destination.

01-23-2002, 01:41 PM	#4
fred pratt Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 72	What if we were to consider time as a dimension that like space depends upon matter for its existence. If matter did not exist, or was not constantly changing on the elementary particulate level and/or the spacial location level, then no dimensions would be necessary. Assuming a vantage point from within stationary matter at a temperature of absolute zero in a case where no other matter existed, for example, illustrates this to some extent, though not completely, because while the necessity for time would cease, and therefore time itself, space would still be required to contain the matter. Were the matter cease to exist, its space requirement would as well, and thus its contingent space would also cease. No matter, no space/time... [ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: fred pratt ]</p>

01-23-2002, 01:50 PM	#5
Ism Schism. Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 320	I know what you are talking about, but it is hard to put into words. I used to take acid on occasion, so thoughts just like that have crept up on me unaware; I once sat on the side of my house, while looking at the stars, thinking about just that for 4 hours in the middle of the night before. It was the deepest thinking I've ever done, and still I could not come anywhere near close to cracking what I was thinking about. It's mindboggling, but if time and the universe is infinite, the chances that I(loosely) will acquire "self" again, are at least theoretically possible. There is currently not enough info to know anything much at all, except what we have in front of us -- which isn't much at all. [ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: Ism Schism. ]</p>

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