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Supergirl · 06-01-2003, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by DarkBronzePlant
You should read A History of God by Karen Armstrong. She does a good job of explaining how the "foundin fathers" of Christianity didn't really have a clear understanding of the the trinity meant either; in fact, there were a lot of votes against including the trinity explanation in Christian doctrines, because some of the founders flat-out thought it didn't make sense.

Interesting to note - the trinity (three fold god) concept was inherited from the pagan religions at the time.

The "founding fathers" of xianity and the catholic church really took the eclectic thing seriously. Catholic is a synonum for eclectic!

Agnostic Theist · 05-23-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Rosoft

Let me have a try:

First of all, I don't believe in God. But in case some deity exists, I hereby pronounce that whoever wrote the Bible was NOT inspired by the spirit of the true supreme God. Instead - if anything - much of it is a product of an evil quasi-deity, such as Yaldabaoth or Satan. (But aren't these two the same?)

Good enough?

Mike Rosoft

Not really the same. Indeed I think what a lot of people found offensive about gnosticism is that Ialbadoath seems more like Yahweh than Satan. For example, being the creator. Then there's the whole Jesus was the snake in the garden of Eden thing. That is not going to play well in church,

'Hey minister, no offence but your God's actually a nefarious Demiurge who trapped us in this evil material world with a worthless soul and by worshipping him we're setting ourselves up to go to the bad place'

'Oh....finish your chores so I can cast thee out.'

ajmilne · 05-23-2004, 03:39 PM

I feel this calls for a Stripes reference:

"Have you ever blasphemed against the holy ghost?"

"No... but we are willing to learn."

Oolon Colluphid · 05-26-2004, 02:53 AM

Holy Ghost? Pah. I wouldn't cross the road to piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.

But I would if it wasn't.

Do I qualify? Shit, Hell may be hot, but it’ll be damned cool being with you guys!

woodheart · 05-27-2004, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Jedi

You cannot commit blasphemy of a myth.

No one blinks if I say Zeus was a myth, or Odin was gay. I fail to see any difference between these older myths and any of the current popular mythology.

"Jesus cornholed the talking ass and told it to squeal like a pig."

There, ya happy?

Yeah squeal little piggy. Come on squeal for me. squeal like the fraud you are.

McGargoyle · 06-09-2004, 04:54 PM

I hereby state that I think that the holy ghost is stupid and smells of fish.
There you go...

Gawdawful · 06-12-2004, 05:17 PM

How can I blaspheme something that doesn't exist? Oops, I just did.

Warren the Okie

Ojuice5001 · 06-22-2004, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Jedi

You cannot commit blasphemy of a myth.

Just the opposite. The original meaning of the word "myth" is "sacred story." The Christians were the ones who changed the meaning to have a built-in implication of falsehood. (Lost cause, I know, but the field of prescriptive usage is full of them. I definitely think the word is more useful in the older sense.) Now, blasphemy is committed against something sacred. Therefore you can't commit blasphemy against a story that is not a myth.

So by this defition the stories about Jupiter are myths, for they are sacred stories. But I would not apply the word "myth" to Jupiter himself, because a god and a story are not the same thing, and the two terms are pretty much mutually exclusive.

foolsparade · 06-22-2004, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by B. H. Manners

I admit that I have, not that I believe there is a Holy Ghost, but just to commit myself to atheism which I truly accept as the correct view concerning the existence of sky daddy. There is no going back for me now.

According to others I do it on a daily basis. I don't mind. I live in a park and I stop all the time to remove turtles and snakes from the road, so they don't get run over...

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05-23-2004, 03:39 PM	#53
ajmilne Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ottawa Posts: 566	I feel this calls for a Stripes reference: "Have you ever blasphemed against the holy ghost?" "No... but we are willing to learn."

05-26-2004, 02:53 AM	#54
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	Holy Ghost? Pah. I wouldn't cross the road to piss in his ear if his brain was on fire. But I would if it wasn't. Do I qualify? Shit, Hell may be hot, but it’ll be damned cool being with you guys!

06-09-2004, 04:54 PM	#56
McGargoyle Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 1,383	I hereby state that I think that the holy ghost is stupid and smells of fish. There you go...

06-12-2004, 05:17 PM	#57
Gawdawful Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: In a cardboard box under the viaduct. Posts: 2,107	How can I blaspheme something that doesn't exist? Oops, I just did. Warren the Okie

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