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Old 12-07-2002, 10:12 AM   #11
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[QB]I can understand your concerns, Layman and Galiel, but Holding's phone number and address are already public. See the phone book.
So what? You know people here hate him and publishing his phone number and wife's name is just juevenile.

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The article is published on a website at Infidels. I simply alerted the forum to it.
I would hope the Administrators would have the decency to remove at least the home address and phone number.

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Finally, as we know from long experience, it is not atheists who harass Christians with hate mail, death threats, and phone calls in the night. It's invariably the other way around. You're the ones filled with hate and intolerance, not us.

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Plenty of my Christian friends have received threats and calls as well. And none of them hvae initiated any calls.

You justify deplorable behavior and try to point the finger at others. How morally bankrupt.

Just because you think we are all idiots and deceived does not mean you have the right to be jerks and abandon all notions of decency towards us. Don't you have any self-respect?
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Old 12-07-2002, 10:23 AM   #12
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Layman,

I am not sure how I feel about the posting of personal information such as home phone numbers, etc. On a different subject, though, in light of what Steve Carr posted, do you agree that Holding/Turkel is dishonest?

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Old 12-07-2002, 12:14 PM   #13
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Hi,

Just for the record, my website has given rise to 2 (two) nasty emails from Christians because I am pro evolution (saying I am a heretic of sorts), and at least 5 (five) atheists who have called me a sheep, stupid or irrational (which is the atheist for heretic). The Christians left email addresses, the atheists did not.

No death threats at all, though.

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IMO, it was unnecessary and unwise for Turkel's address and phone number to be published on the internet. To point out that there was other means to find out his particulars -- given that the inmates already knew his real name -- is enough to put the lie to Turkel's rationale for a psuedonym. Holding/Turkel is not someone with a lot of credibility.

But as Bede reminds us, the worst atheists do is to call Christians irrational and stupid. This isn't a major issue.
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Just because you think we are all idiots and deceived does not mean you have the right to be jerks and abandon all notions of decency towards us. Don't you have any self-respect?

I didn't put the number up, someone else did. The phone company put it in the phone book, a public document. If Turkel doesn't want his name publicly known, he shouldn't have publicly revealed it.

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<strong>Just because you think we are all idiots and deceived does not mean you have the right to be jerks and abandon all notions of decency towards us. Don't you have any self-respect?

I didn't put the number up, someone else did. The phone company put it in the phone book, a public document. If Turkel doesn't want his name publicly known, he shouldn't have publicly revealed it.

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What a moral copout.

Besides, you know very well that Holding used an alias for the very purpose of keeping his privacy intact.
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<strong>Layman,

I am not sure how I feel about the posting of personal information such as home phone numbers, etc. On a different subject, though, in light of what Steve Carr posted, do you agree that Holding/Turkel is dishonest?

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[ December 07, 2002: Message edited by: MrKrinkles ]</strong>
I think I'll wait until you decide how you feel about posting home phone numbers and names of spouses on a website frequented by those who hate that person before I decide how I feel about Holding's honesty and Till's attack.
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What a moral copout.

Besides, you know very well that Holding used an alias for the very purpose of keeping his privacy intact.</strong>
But Holding himself revealed his identity! I notice how you keep evading that point. Perhaps you can address it in your next post.
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I think I'll wait until you decide how you feel about posting home phone numbers and names of spouses on a website frequented by those who hate that person before I decide how I feel about Holding's honesty and Till's attack.</strong>
Does anyone here "hate" Holding? Most of us consider him contemptible and dishonest, and laugh at him.
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Finally, as we know from long experience, it is not atheists who harass Christians with hate mail, death threats, and phone calls in the night. It's invariably the other way around. You're the ones filled with hate and intolerance, not us.
I see... atheists don't harass Christians, and they aren't filled with intolerance...

WinAce's quotes of Holding making ad hominems are an absolute utter joke compared to some of the things I have seen written in these forums by Atheists about Christians.

Do I need to do a little searching through the archives and quote a little of the choice language you loving and tolerant atheists use?

I think my personal highlight was the time when I was told that I should be "put in a mental institution". Though fortunately I have always managed to avoid the worst of the... love and tolerance... you atheists are so good at showing.
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