Ojuice5001

You know what'd be cool? If we discovered a planet that moved from west to east. Then it would falsify heliocentrism, and we would no doubt go back to Ptolemy's model. If I weren't smart enough to realize it's a waste of time, I would take up this challenge by trying to find such a planet.

Adrian Selby

I wonder if there's a problem in principle with being able to argue these differences in perspective that allows him to quote so persuasively (I know nothing of geo or heliocentrism, and as such, it *seems* he's offering sensible answers)

I would like to see whether a more robust challenge could be made to the guy, are his correspondents distinguished astronomers and physicists themselves, or is this stuff so silly they probably aren't wasting their time?

Anyway, none of this proves God exists, only that the earth is stationary.

edit: just discovered this.

"Any honest mathematician or scientist will admit that, mathematically, he can make Jupiter the center of the solar system, and the math will work! "

If this is the case is he saying that geocentrism is no more right than heliocentrism, and if so, there does seem to be a logical discrepancy, either the earth rotates or it does not, one theory must be right, he's not seeming to offer evidence that geo is more right than helio.

[ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: Adrian Selby ]</p>

Liquidrage

Actually, this one should be easier.

I was unware but the challange is also about the rotation of the Earth.
The man holding this challange believes the Sun moves around the Earth EVERYDAY.

Surely, with all of the probes that have been outside of Earth's orbit, at least one of the must have been turned back onto the Earth for some amount of time and would have been able to calculate the percetange of a revolution (it wouldn't matter at this point if the Sun was moving around the Earth or vice versa) for a given amount of time.

This should easily be able to show whether the Sun revolves around the Earth every day.

Adrian Selby

I've noticed on the site that a $1000 is available to anyone that can prove evolution.

Some gems include traditional rebuttals to radioactive dating by questioning merely the imprecision.

Something tells me this guy needs a real philosopher to take him apart, his presentation stinks, I can't speak authoritatively for his creationist statements.

Adrian

Coragyps

Let's not even bring up the fact that the crystal sphere containing even the nearest star must be rotating at a large fraction of the speed of light to get in one rotation per day....

seebs

Just a side note: Imagine, if you will, that you pick a point of reference fixed on the earth's surface. Note how the entire universe spins crazily around the earth.

As it happens, we like to imagine "independant" frames of reference, but it doesn't really matter; you can pick any frame of reference you want.

Liquidrage

He debunked this one with the dreaed rotating AEther.

ohwilleke

The frame of reference is indeed the crux of the matter. If my frame of reference is Denver, Colorado is the center of the universe, then the rest of the universe is moving around it and the Earth is stable. If my frame of reference is the sun, the sun is moving around the Earth.

It happens to be more convenient to think of the sun at the center than the Earth for many purposes. But, it isn't scientifically necessary. All interial frames of reference are equal.

Liquidrage

The rotating Earth is a non-inertial frame of reference.

One could very carefully pick a frame of reference in which one could claim that the Sun does revolve around the Earth every 24 hours but as shown by General Relativity the describtion is limited in accuracy, duration and locality.

NOGO

What geocentricist mean by prove is beyond the capabilities of nay human. In other words they are asking not to seek the information but to draw attention to their theories which otherwise would be dismissed.

If you are going to believe that the earth does not move then all the universe must move in a way that accounts for the earth movement.

The earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours or the universe rotates around the earth every 24 hours. These have the same effect.

The earth rotates around the sun every year or the universe rotates around the earth but with a offset of 93,000,000 miles. This accounts for parallax when viewing stars.

Now which is easier to believe that the earth rotates around the sun
or
that the universe rotates around a point 93,000,000 miles from the earth and that this centre of rotation itself moves in a circle around the earth.

Coincidence isn't it. The whole universe oscillates like a gyroscope around the earth in a circle whose radius is exactly the distance to the sun.

To all Geocentricists this proof is completely free.

[ June 11, 2002: Message edited by: NOGO ]</p>