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Diggler St. · 03-11-2002, 09:00 AM

Please explain the whole on speaking in tongues. I have a specific stance on the subject, being a weak athiest I think it's all a bunch of bull, however, my thoughts have some inconsistencies and I'd like some light to be shown on my theory.

I've been to some Apostolic (ewww!)

churches (I try to know my enemies inside and out) and the only point view I can get is a Xian point of view and this view is not explained very well. I'm open to suggestion...

Mageth · 03-11-2002, 11:33 AM

It would help if you'd fill us in a little on your theory (is it simply "a bunch of bull"?) and inconsistencies that you see in your theory.

Mad Kally · 03-11-2002, 12:02 PM

Yes, it is nothing but a bunch of bullshit called glossolalia. Schizophrenics do the same thing.

My mom and her church members speak in tongues. They are in some kind of hysterical frenzy. I'ts amusing (in a freaky way) because the syllables that come out are so funny. If my mom had been at the Shell station to fill up her gas tank it would go something like this:

"Shell a la ma la la la, shel o ab ra ka dab la shea da shell O la la"

Oresta · 03-11-2002, 01:11 PM

I can't locate a study I read years ago about glossolalia. It was found that people uttered nonsense syllables that were consistent with the morphological structure of their language. That is, French congregants did not "speak" the same "language" as German congregants. In other words, glossolalia is not a God-inspired Pentecostal language. It's simply the sounds folks think they should make if god were speaking though them. That's not to say they are faking it. They may well fall into a self-induced kind of frenzy. But when they do, they will draw for sounds from their own language bank.

Mageth · 03-11-2002, 01:19 PM

Go to google.com and search for "glossolalia." I did and here are a few hits:

<a href="http://skepdic.com/glossol.html" target="_blank">from skepdic.com</a>

Mageth · 03-11-2002, 01:36 PM

Go to google.com and search for "glossolalia." I did and here are a few hits:

<a href="http://skepdic.com/glossol.html" target="_blank">from skepdic.com</a>
<a href="http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf051/sf051p15.htm" target="_blank">from science frontiers</a>
<a href="http://www.ifas.org/wa/glossolalia.html" target="_blank">The gift of gibberish</a>
<a href="http://linguisticspage.homestead.com/skeptic.html" target="_blank">from lingisticspage.homestead.com</a>

Here's a <a href="http://wesley.nnu.edu/theojrnl/06-10/10-2.htm" target="_blank">critique</a> of the scriptures that glossolalia is derived from.

Here's some kind of <a href="http://kalimountain.tripod.com/glossolalia.html" target="_blank">spiritual new-age</a> gibberish on the subject - complete with instructions!

Mad Kally · 03-11-2002, 01:58 PM

Mageth,
I like this part..

Quote:

When spoken by schizophrenics, glossolalia are recognized as gibberish. In charismatic Christian communities glossolalia is sacred and referred to as "speaking in tongues" or having "the gift of tongues." In Acts of the Apostles, tongues of fire are described as alighting on the Apostles, filling them with the Holy Spirit. Allegedly, this allowed the Apostles to speak in their own language but be understood by foreigners from several nations. Glossolalics, on the other hand, speak in a foreign language and are understood by nobody.

Mageth · 03-11-2002, 02:29 PM

IIRC, speaking a language you don't know, like the apostles supposedly did, is referred to as "xenoglossia" or sometimes "xenolalia."

[ March 11, 2002: Message edited by: Mageth ]</p>

Mad Kally · 03-11-2002, 02:32 PM

The guy should have said "speaking in goofy syllables" lol

Mageth · 03-11-2002, 02:33 PM

Here's a good quote:

"William Samarin, a long-time researcher into the speaking of tongues, summarizes:

"When the full apparatus of linguistic science comes to bear on glossolalia, this turns out to be only a facade of language � although at times a very good one indeed. For when we comprehend what language is, we must conclude that no glossa, no matter how well constructed, is a specimen of human language, because it is neither internally organized nor systematically related to the world man perceives."

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Diggler St. Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 19	Speaking in tongues Please explain the whole on speaking in tongues. I have a specific stance on the subject, being a weak athiest I think it's all a bunch of bull, however, my thoughts have some inconsistencies and I'd like some light to be shown on my theory. I've been to some Apostolic (ewww!) churches (I try to know my enemies inside and out) and the only point view I can get is a Xian point of view and this view is not explained very well. I'm open to suggestion...

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03-11-2002, 11:33 AM	#2
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	It would help if you'd fill us in a little on your theory (is it simply "a bunch of bull"?) and inconsistencies that you see in your theory.

03-11-2002, 12:02 PM	#3
Mad Kally Banned Join Date: May 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 3,764	Yes, it is nothing but a bunch of bullshit called glossolalia. Schizophrenics do the same thing. My mom and her church members speak in tongues. They are in some kind of hysterical frenzy. I'ts amusing (in a freaky way) because the syllables that come out are so funny. If my mom had been at the Shell station to fill up her gas tank it would go something like this: "Shell a la ma la la la, shel o ab ra ka dab la shea da shell O la la"

03-11-2002, 01:11 PM	#4
Oresta Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,107	I can't locate a study I read years ago about glossolalia. It was found that people uttered nonsense syllables that were consistent with the morphological structure of their language. That is, French congregants did not "speak" the same "language" as German congregants. In other words, glossolalia is not a God-inspired Pentecostal language. It's simply the sounds folks think they should make if god were speaking though them. That's not to say they are faking it. They may well fall into a self-induced kind of frenzy. But when they do, they will draw for sounds from their own language bank.

03-11-2002, 01:19 PM	#5
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Go to google.com and search for "glossolalia." I did and here are a few hits: <a href="http://skepdic.com/glossol.html" target="_blank">from skepdic.com</a>

03-11-2002, 01:36 PM	#6
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Go to google.com and search for "glossolalia." I did and here are a few hits: <a href="http://skepdic.com/glossol.html" target="_blank">from skepdic.com</a> <a href="http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf051/sf051p15.htm" target="_blank">from science frontiers</a> <a href="http://www.ifas.org/wa/glossolalia.html" target="_blank">The gift of gibberish</a> <a href="http://linguisticspage.homestead.com/skeptic.html" target="_blank">from lingisticspage.homestead.com</a> Here's a <a href="http://wesley.nnu.edu/theojrnl/06-10/10-2.htm" target="_blank">critique</a> of the scriptures that glossolalia is derived from. Here's some kind of <a href="http://kalimountain.tripod.com/glossolalia.html" target="_blank">spiritual new-age</a> gibberish on the subject - complete with instructions!

03-11-2002, 02:29 PM	#8
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	IIRC, speaking a language you don't know, like the apostles supposedly did, is referred to as "xenoglossia" or sometimes "xenolalia." [ March 11, 2002: Message edited by: Mageth ]</p>

03-11-2002, 02:32 PM	#9
Mad Kally Banned Join Date: May 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 3,764	The guy should have said "speaking in goofy syllables" lol

03-11-2002, 02:33 PM	#10
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Here's a good quote: "William Samarin, a long-time researcher into the speaking of tongues, summarizes: "When the full apparatus of linguistic science comes to bear on glossolalia, this turns out to be only a facade of language � although at times a very good one indeed. For when we comprehend what language is, we must conclude that no glossa, no matter how well constructed, is a specimen of human language, because it is neither internally organized nor systematically related to the world man perceives."

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