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Valentine Pontifex · 07-03-2003, 08:37 PM

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NonHomogenized · 07-03-2003, 09:57 PM

I love how there are always several messages from people going "don't you know evolution is false? After all, you can't explain (some random thing that is covered many times over in the archives, faqs, etc)

Wyz_sub10 · 07-04-2003, 06:42 AM

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emotional · 07-04-2003, 08:18 AM

I really loved this one:

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From: Jaak Kikas

Comment: When looking around and seeing all thouse cars, planes, PCs, fridges, cellular phones, etc., etc., etc., I am becoming more and more suspicious about the possibility to explain all this stuff simply by random genetic mutations and survival of the fittest. I suspect, that some Intelligent Design may be behind. Am I a Creationist?

From: PZ Myers
Response: Not necessarily, but you are very confused. "Cars, planes, PCs, fridges, cellular phones" don't arise by random genetic mutations and survival of the fittest. They are designed by engineers and built in factories. They don't reproduce by themselves and they don't have genes.

I have a slightly different perspective. When I see organisms which are capable of imperfect self-replication, exhibit a range of heritable variation, and possess an eons-long history of change, I get rather suspicious of the claim that they had to have been designed by engineers. It requires the same kind of willful disregard of the obvious that is involved in suggesting that cell phones evolved by random genetic mutations.

Smart-alecky, yet so easily refuted...

Hedwig · 07-04-2003, 03:25 PM

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i think the theory of evolution is becoming more and more unbeliveable as the world goes on.. there are more and more facts coming up tt disputes the theory of evolution.. it is impossible for evolution to happen anywayz.. when evolutionists say that evolution exists, it means tt there is no design.. and tt the creature juz becomes what it is.. with eyes and mouth and organs and the features.. how is it possible tt all creatues can turn out to have almost identical systems without a particular creator and/or design..
itz like puttin parts of a mouse trap in a box, shaking it and expecting it to juz fix itself together.. it needs someone to put it together and it can be done bcoz someone designed it..

evolution also means tt only the fittest will survive.. so why izzit tt the monkeys or animals of our world have not died off since we are the "fittest" in the world?

if evolution is true, then y izzit tt the monkeys/gorillas/chimpanzes have not evolved to humans..

evolution till date has to concrete prove of the theory.. the lack of evidence and missing links are far in between.. and if evolution really is true, why is it tt instead of more species of animals being discovered "adapting" to our changing world, we are "discovering" more and more animals becoming extinct..

My head hurts. :banghead:

Arikay · 07-04-2003, 07:24 PM

Maybe before they teach kids Evolution in school, they should teach them how to speak better. I mean, speaking like that is fine, but when you are addressing an organization, especially one of science, you should probably speak a bit better.

pz · 07-04-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by emotional
Smart-alecky, yet so easily refuted...

Which one? The comment or my response? If my response, I would enjoy your refutation.

lpetrich · 07-04-2003, 09:18 PM

There is a response to someone's question about coal formation about 2/3 of the way down; someone asked whether anyone has caught any coal in the process of being formed.

The biggest deposits are in the Pennsylvanian and the Permian periods; coal deposits become much less after that because of the evolution of termites, with their well-known taste for wood.

Note: the Pennsylvanian is a name sometimes used for the younger half of the Carboniferous (the older half is the Mississippian).

emotional · 07-05-2003, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pz
Which one? The comment or my response? If my response, I would enjoy your refutation.

The comment, of course. I'm an evolutionist.

Jimmy Higgins · 07-05-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by lpetrich
Note: the Pennsylvanian is a name sometimes used for the younger half of the Carboniferous (the older half is the Mississippian).

Is that what that is? I'm still trying to learn all that stuff. I wasn't aware that the two had that relation, ie part of the same era.

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lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Termites vs. Coal There is a response to someone's question about coal formation about 2/3 of the way down; someone asked whether anyone has caught any coal in the process of being formed. The biggest deposits are in the Pennsylvanian and the Permian periods; coal deposits become much less after that because of the evolution of termites, with their well-known taste for wood. Note: the Pennsylvanian is a name sometimes used for the younger half of the Carboniferous (the older half is the Mississippian).

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07-03-2003, 09:57 PM	#2
NonHomogenized Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: no longer at IIDB Posts: 1,644	I love how there are always several messages from people going "don't you know evolution is false? After all, you can't explain (some random thing that is covered many times over in the archives, faqs, etc)

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Wyz_sub10 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the land of two boys and no sleep. Posts: 9,890	Luuuuuv T.O. feedback (although I do get frustrated by some of the ignorant remarks).

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Arikay Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ca, Usa Posts: 262	Maybe before they teach kids Evolution in school, they should teach them how to speak better. I mean, speaking like that is fine, but when you are addressing an organization, especially one of science, you should probably speak a bit better.

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