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Old 07-31-2003, 03:43 AM   #21
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ED-IN is a Sumerian word meaning ’pastoral land’
adan (aw-dan') is Hebrew and menas ‘to be soft or pleasant’,

`Eden (eh'-den) is Hebrew, is from `adan', and means ‘pleasure’.

Eden is a short of the Hebrew ‘gan eden’ while Hebrew ‘gan’ is a ‘garden’. ‘gan eden’ is The ‘garden of pleasure’ or the ‘garden of joy’.

The Sumerian counterpart to the Hebrew ‘Gan Eden’ is ‘Til-mun’ or ‘Dilmun’.

An Encyclopedia of Archetypal Symbolism writes: "The first known account of a paradisial garden appears on a cuneiform tablet from ancient Sumer. Here we learn of the mythical place called Dilmun, a pure, clean, bright place where sickness, violence, and old age do not exist. At first this paradise lacks only one thing: water. Eventually this is provided by the Sumerian water god, Enki. At once, Dilmun is transformed into a garden of fruit trees, edible plants, and flowers. Dilmun, however, is a paradise for the gods alone and not for human beings, although one learns that Ziusudra (= Utnapishtim, the Sumerian counterpart of Noah) was exceptionally admitted to the divine garden."

This Utnapishtim is from the Gilgamesh epic.

“ 1.Holy is [the place] where you are;
2.The mountain Dilmun is holy.
3.Holy is the place where you are;
4.......the mountain Dilmun is is holy.
5.The mountain Dilmun is holy, the mountain Dilmun is pure,
6.The mountain Dilmun is pure; the mountain Dilmun is brilliant.
7.Alone in Dilmun they lay down;
8.Where Enki and his consort lay,
9.That place is pure; that place is brilliant.
10.Where Enki and Ninella lay,
11.That Place is pure, that place is brilliant.
12.In Dilmun the raven cried not,
13.The dar-bird its dar-cry uttered not.
14.The deadly lion destroyed not,
15.The wolf a lamb seized not,
16.The dog the weak kid tore not,
17.The dun-animal (sow) the food-grain destroyed not,
18.The planned not for young off spring...
19.The birds of heaven their offspring hatched not,
20.Doves laid noteggs (?)_
21.Of eye-disease, "it is eye-disease," one said not;
22.Of headache, "it is headache," one said not.
23.To a mother, "mother," one said not,
24.To a father, "father," one said not.
25.In the holy place a libation was poured not; in the city one drank not;
26.The river-man "cross it?" said not;
27.The overseer filled no right hand;
28.The musician "sing," said not;
29.The prince of the city spoke not.
30.Ninella to her father Enki Said:
31."A city thoust founded, a city thou hast founded, its destiny thou hast fiexe;
32.In Dilmun a city thou has hast founded,
33.......thou hast founded a city,
34.........a canal there is not
35...;;;.....thou hast founded a city."

The ‘Garden of Joy’ is a symbol, not to find as a historic location. I have written here often about this symbol. No one of any reason makes investigation finding the wonderland of Cinderella. Eden or Dilmun is holy. No location is holy. Eden and Dimun is today as holy as in all times. It is a pure holy place, were two people lay down, as Enki and Ninelly in the old Sumer. Not to find with the mind.

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. Not to find with the mind.

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. . . but can only be found in the mind.
 
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. . . but can only be found in the mind.
And who is it, who can find it in the mind?
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The angel with the flaming sword going in circles?What happened with him?
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He became an Amway distributer. . . .

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He became the role model of amateur christian internet apologists.
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And who is it, who can find it in the mind?
Aha, good question. Nobody can and if we say we did it will not be a holy place because of us. Instead, we must wait and let it find us.
 
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So Eden is a moble home . . . a double-wide?

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Volker.Doormann: "The ‘Garden of Joy’ is a symbol, not to find as a historic location. I have written here often about this symbol. No one of any reason makes investigation's finding the wonderland of Cinderella. Eden or Dilmun is holy. No location is holy. Eden and Dilmun is today as holy as in all times. It is a pure holy place, were two people lay down, as Enki and Ninelly in the old Sumer. Not to find with the mind."

Amos.". . . but can only be found in the mind."

Volker.Doormann: "And who is it, who can find it in the mind?"

Amos: "Aha, good question. Nobody can ... "
?? Can or nobody can?

Who is it, who knows that nobody can ... ?
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Waiting is a process in time using dead thoughts of the mind. Rational thinking of the mind using GPS and ancient maps lead not to holy places, because a rational mind has no knowledge about holiness. The holiness must exist in the self in order to recognize the holiness of 'Gan Eden'/'Tilmun'/'Dilmun' beyond all time and history and historic places from death memories in the mind.

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