Hawkingfan

Well, considering that the words "ego" or "persona" or anything remotely close to those words DO NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE in the above scriptures, I find it hard to believe.

Amos

It is a pity that you are so stuck on words without understanding the meaning of words.

Born Free

Hawking fan, Amos has his own particular way of seeing things, he's unique, quite apart from any xian of any flavour I've ever seen. You can argue till the cows come home and it still won't make sense to you. That's just the way he is and the II would be very boring without him.

I'm also very fond of him.

Ronin

Yeah ~ and don't forget who's waaaaahchinnnggg -

Hawkingfan

Yes, Freud created the concept of "ego". It was created by a man who had flesh and blood and really existed, not by an entity who solely exists in your imagination.

thebeave

Me too! Though I have yet to understand anything he has said, I am rather blown away by his ability to put a bunch of colorful (sometimes incomprehensible) words together and make it sound like there could be a meaning buried deep within. He's sorta like Yoda on LSD. I must say I have spent so much time scratching the top of my head after reading Amos' posts that I've developed a rather lovely little bald spot!

Amos

Maybe he coined the word ego but never the concept of that which represents our ego. Of course, if he was wrong he may have tried to create someting that does not exist at all.

Our ego makes reference to our humanity, which is our human nature wherein we are fallen identities. The word "fallen" makes reference to an inferior mental capacity wherein we have obscured vision and look at things with the same eyes but perceive them with our conscious mind only as if we are outsiders to reality. The prefix -hu in human is added to the word man to indicate the earthliness of humans. This earthliness makes reference to the low life humans display when they will crawl if they can't walk upright. Man without the prefix -hu is other than earthly and heavenly if you allow me to posite heaven opposite to earth. So the word human already indicates a dual mode of existence and therefore the obscured vision held by humans.

Hawkingfan

Umm...uh...er...yeah, I g-guess so????

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-DM-

In my opinion, and my opinion only as an individual, not as an Administrator, this is an arrogant overstatement--to say the least--given that you would have no way of knowing with certainty how much someone does or does not understand and given that anyone posting here at all obviously understands the meaning of at least some words. Be that as it may, if someone literally didn't understand the meaning of words, then it would do no good to tell him/her so. And finally, when it comes to the meaning of words, I would say that your creative use of words in such a way that they have little meaning to anyone other than you is a waste of good words.

-Don-

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: Don Morgan ]</p>

Amos

That reply was made to this post by Hawkinfan.

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[QB]The ego (persona) was created in Gen.3 when shame first became part of our humors. To see this compare the shame/no shame juxtaposition of Gen.2:25 and Gen.3:7.QB]
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Well, considering that the words "ego" or "persona" or anything remotely close to those words DO NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE in the above scriptures, I find it hard to believe.


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An ego consciousness is needed to be ashamed and without an ego it is impossible to have shame. I tried to make this clear and so I find it rather shallow to then say that the very words ego or persona are not part of the text.

Should I have used "self awareness" or "human consciousness" instead?