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Old 04-30-2003, 04:33 PM   #41
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That's called murder-suicide.

I would like to see how the act was judged in the local police blotter.
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Most atheists here seem to have the rational understanding of a hypothetical god as though he were a lego. God does not fit into your little box. How many times do I need to say this until it sinks in? Stop trying to compare God to yourself - IT DOESN'T WORK!
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Old 04-30-2003, 04:40 PM   #42
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You for some reason think your understanding of God is better. You also say we can't understand God because we are both human. So what makes your understanding any better then any body elses?
My understanding of God comes through the Bible, your understanding comes from saying Duh, i'm better than God and can decide his own Character when i want to!
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We anthropomorphize god no more than the Old Testiment does. The OT god is a jealous vengeful god that needs our worship, demands it even.
Says you and your poor understanding of God. If you didn't dismiss Him as some mythical, demonic being, and actually sought him out, you might have a better understanding. And yes, whether you believe it or not - the Holy Spirit living in the believers helps us understand God and His word.
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My understanding of God comes through the Bible, your understanding comes from saying Duh, i'm better than God and can decide his own Character when i want to!
Your understanding of god seems to come from the land of make-believe. Have you read the OT or just had it filtered through preachers?
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Old 04-30-2003, 04:51 PM   #45
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Says you and your poor understanding of God. If you didn't dismiss Him as some mythical, demonic being, and actually sought him out, you might have a better understanding. And yes, whether you believe it or not - the Holy Spirit living in the believers helps us understand God and His word.
Been there, sought that. I was raised religious and even had a spell as a teen where I was mighty spiritual and sought a god apart from the god of the hippocrits in my church. I didn't reject nearly 20 years of indoctrination into protestantism because I thaught god was a big meanie. If I believed that the god of my parents and grandparents I wouldn't rebel. No way. I don't reject god. I reject belief in god as an illusion.
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My understanding of God comes through the Bible, your understanding comes from saying Duh, i'm better than God and can decide his own Character when i want to!
1. How can I be better then something that doesn't exist?
2. You have a vision of gods character, just like anyone who has ever thought about him! Your vision cannot be right (according to you, and a lot of people) and neither can mine. If I have a vision of gods character as being jealous and vengeful (which is from the bible and according to you, that makes it true! ) and yours is some happy magic pixie fairy that will make everything all right. (not once has god made everything all right) Your opinion of god does not overrule mine or anyone elses.
3. Guess what, I CAN decide gods character. Whos gonna stop me? YOU? Why? Because God is as real as any random character from a fictional story.
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:06 PM   #47
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My understanding of God comes through the Bible, your understanding comes from saying Duh, i'm better than God and can decide his own Character when i want to!
The bible was also written by humans. The contradictions and needless complication of matters makes it unlikely to have been inspired by an omnimax being, unless that being wants everyone to go to hell because of a confusing 'plan' that none of its followers can agree on.

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Says you and your poor understanding of God. If you didn't dismiss Him as some mythical, demonic being, and actually sought him out, you might have a better understanding. And yes, whether you believe it or not - the Holy Spirit living in the believers helps us understand God and His word.
Prove that the Holy Spirit (TM) exists before assuming it is true for the sake of your argument. Most Xians behave the same way after they become Xian, and some use Xianity as an excuse for their bigotry.

Prove that your god is NOT a horrible, demonic being. This will be hard, I realise, given that the existence and creation of hell basically snuffs any 'benevolence' out.
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My understanding of God comes through the Bible, your understanding comes from saying Duh, i'm better than God and can decide his own Character when i want to!
I can't speak for every atheist here...but I was born and raised Christian and my understanding of your god...which is very similar to how other atheists tend to see him (vengeful, wrathful, warlike, and malicious)...comes entirely from the Bible.

Besides, you're stereotyping atheists on here as just saying "duh, I'm better than god"...which is wholly inaccurate and uncalled for.

*sigh* Not like this post will matter...you've ignored so many of my posts in the past that I doubt you'll answer this one. So I guess it'll stand on it's own.
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No He couldn't. Defies His nature and puts Him in a paradox. If He could kill himself, He wouldn't be eternal and omnipotent - in which case He can't kill himself.
What about if God was...was, like, within a nearby solar system and...and...and this solar system had like....like.. 35 suns and...and, then all of a sudden..they all, like, totally supernova'd at exactly the same time! I mean, like we're talking serious explosive power! KABLOOOEY! Even that wouldn't kill God, Magus? Ain't no way a God could survive 35 simultaneous supernovas!
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What about if God was...was, like, within a nearby solar system and...and...and this solar system had like....like.. 35 suns and...and, then all of a sudden..they all, like, totally supernova'd at exactly the same time! I mean, like we're talking serious explosive power! KABLOOOEY! Even that wouldn't kill God, Magus? Ain't no way a God could survive 35 simultaneous supernovas!
According to theology, God is spirit. Only God, himself, can destroy the spirit. So I suppose that he is within a different plane that would make him indestructable to even a vast number of supernovas.
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