john_e

Unfortunately, I doubt there are many followers of Islam on these boards to answer this nagging question, but my friends and I couldn't figure out what was supposed to happen to women in the Islamic version of Heaven. It's pretty specific for men (the usual brown-eyed virgins, milk and wine)...but the women? I can't afford a copy of the Qu'ran, so...open to all.

Take care all.

Magus55

Women are slaves in Islam. The Quran and Hadith ( 2 islamic holy books) support beating women and having multiple wives. A womens only purpose is to please her husband and have sex. Thats what the Islamic paradise is - endless sex with women and little boys. The only way a women gets to heaven based on Islamic doctrine is by satisfying her husband and having him die before the women.

From carm.org - taken out of the Quran.

Muslim men may marry up to four women, but no such provision is made for Muslim women.

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice," (4:3).

It is okay to beat wives

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)," (4:34).

In Paradise, voluptuous women await men for sensual gratification

"In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched," (55:56).

"We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), - Beloved (by nature), equal in age,- For the Companions of the Right Hand," (56:35-38)

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines, And voluptuous women of equal age," (78:31-33).

Hope that answers your question.

Spaz

Some men have multiple wives in the bible, and women aren't treated all that well in it either, Men being more important than women was something from history, not religion, which is why women didn't have rights in America until they marched and fought for them

Magus55

True in the early OT of the Bible men have multiple wives and such - but that was a different time - they did that for procreation reasons - not for personal satisfaction - women are just as valued in God's eyes as men - we are all equal - not even in Islamic Heaven are women free and happy - they serve one purpose for eternity - please their husbands.

lpetrich

Where are all the female priests and leaders in the Bible?

Pagans had generally been ahead of the Bible's writers in the priestess department.

Some parts of the Bible view women as not much more than men's party. Or even worse -- in one part of the NT, the man-woman relation is likened to the God-creation relation.

oriecat

And that's why we are not allowed to speak in church, and we have to cover our head in church or cut off our hair, and we have to submit ourselves to men, and we can't teach or usurp authority, and of course we all know what "the natural use of the woman" is.

Athius

Well I'm a former Muslim, I was born and raised in Iran, a theocracy controlled by strict Islamic laws. Although right now I'm an atheist and live in the US, I think I have a pretty good idea of what Islam is all about, having been taught its lessons everyday in my elementary/middle school. What Magus55 said was mostly true but it is not as evil as he made it sound like. Women are definately considered much more inferior to men in Islam, they almost have no control over their lives, and are told what to do by males throughout their life, if not their husband, then it must be their father, or brother (even if younger). Well I believe that all religions are false and god obviously does not exist, which means every religion was a creation of man based on the region's cultures and ethics of its time. Islam was created in the Middle East, and what you read in Quran is not Allah's words, it's the Middle Eastern culture of the time. Heaven does not exist, but if you want to know what Islam expects from and promises to women, I'll tell you. In Islam (at least this is what I've been taught in school) women are considered as pure and beautiful, but very fragile, much like a Rose flower. They must be protected so they wouldn't wither or die away, that's the basic philosophy behid the veil they wear, so other men would not look at them, and corrupt them. Women are expected to be cautious in their life, and listen to males who are more stronger than them and can protect them (This I think is B.S. It was just made up by Arab males of the time who were writing the Quran so they could have unlimited power over their wives. This is also the same reason why you are allowed to have 4 wives, it was made up by the men so they could have a great life) Heaven is described as a garden where everyone goes back to their youth (20s perhaps) and can do whatever they want (it is mostly centered around power, sex, and possesions). There was never any differences mentioned for different genders' versions of heaven, both males and females go to the same heaven and are promised the samethings. The virgins that you are talking about is different, that's if you die fighting a Jihad (meaning if you die fighting against the enemies of god, which I think applies to both men or women although it was never mentioned) That's kinda self-contradictory right there, because if in heaven you can do anything you want, then what is the purpose of saying you will get 72 virgins if you do so and so, you should be able to do it anyway. Anyway my belief is that religion is all B.S. anyway, everything self-contradicts itself, my advice is dont' waste your time trying to understand the details of Islam. The main reason why people in the west don't understand Islam is only because of the huge cultural differences, both cultures seem bizzare to the other side. The cultural norm in here is a taboo in there and vice versa. I hope this helped, I'm in a bit hurry right now, so sorry if I was a little hasty, I'll explain more later.

River

UCE you are a fool. like every other fool you've mistaken religion with politics. Iran is the only Muslim country in the world where there are "masses" of people converting out of Islam .This is an endemic problem governed by Iranian politics.

I will explain the true status of women and Islam......


stay tuned.

oriecat

Not cool. Attack the contents of the post, not the poster.

River

no prob. bro. I take back what I've said. I will soon proceed to attack the post.