openeyes

It makes me happy that a country which borders us is allowing same-sex marriages. Especially since so many of its citizens look like the type of people here who oppose such unions. Canada's culture is also similar to ours in many ways. Hope it make those people here who think homosexuals are immoral think twice about their stance. Why not live and let live?

Thumbs up Canada!

phil

Hi guys. I've been gone for a while but I'm back. Here's a clip from an article I found. It doesn't prove that homosexuality is wrong, however it does give evidence that it is not as healthy as heterosexuality.

[DISCLAIMER] Some of the stuff mentioned in the article is graphic, use discretion when you read.
HOMOSEXUALITY: Fact and Fiction
(Part One in a Two-Part Series on Homosexuality)

by Joseph P. Gudel
http://www.equip.org/free/DH055-1.htm
A second item that cannot be avoided in a discussion of the health aspects of homosexuality is the actual sexual practices of homosexuals. Are these healthy? Once again, the vast preponderance of medical evidence is resoundingly negative.

Many different medical sources document the physical aberrancy of homosexual sexual practices. The following information comes from an article entitled "Medical Perspective of the Homosexual Issue." It was written by Dr. Bernard J. Klamecki, a proctologist (rectal specialist) for more than 30 years.

Dr. Klamecki states in this article that when he began his medical practice in 1960, only one percent of his patients were homosexuals. By 1988 this number had grown to 25 percent of his patients, the majority being referred by a local gay free clinic. The following material comes from one who is known and respected by the homosexual community, a medical professional who has care and compassion for all his patients and who donates a good deal of his time to their service.
I know well the medical and surgical pathology directly related to the sexual practices typical of active homosexuals, particularly anal intercourse (sodomy) and oral intercourse (fellatio)....

Sexual practices typical of homosexuals can affect the oral cavities, lungs, penis, prostate, bladder, anus, perianal areas outside of the rectum, rectum, colon, vagina, uterus, pelvic area, brain, skin, blood, immune system, and other body systems.... While none of the following practices is unique to homosexuals, they are nonetheless typical....

Most common is anal intercourse (sodomy)....Foreign objects are often used in order to produce a different erotic sensation or to instigate a more violent sexual activity (sadomasochism). Objects that I have removed from the rectum and lower bowel include corn cobs, light bulbs, vibrators, soda bottles, and varied wooden sticks.

"Fisting" is when a fisted hand is inserted into the rectum, sometimes as far as the elbow, which produces varied sexually exciting sensations, strongly linking eroticism with pain....

Oral intercourse (fellatio) is when the tongue is used to lick or tickle the outlet of the rectum for sexual excitement, arousing, or foreplay. Needless to say, bacteria may contaminate and infect the mouth. One other sexual practice is "Water Sports," in which urinating into the mouth or rectum is used as a sexual stimulant.

Physical damage to the rectum may occur because of some of these practices....There is an antinatural activity being performed when the rectum is the recipient of a penis or foreign object. Because of this activity, cracking of the tissue (fissuring), open sores (ulcers), boils (abscesses), and other infections can occur in the skin of the surrounding tissues....

Persistent anal-rectal sexual activity can lead to various pre-cancerous lesions such as Bowen's disease and Kaposi's sarcoma. Whenever tissues are traumatized, cracked, or abraded, they are vulnerable to bacterial infection.43
Dr. Klamecki then continues, discussing the various bacterial diseases and viral diseases he regularly encounters with his homosexual patients — the most prominent being AIDS (the current figure is that 70 percent of Americans with AIDS are male homosexuals or bisexuals). In addition, he asserts that up to 86 percent of homosexual males use various drugs to enhance and increase their sexual stimulation.44

Is the homosexual lifestyle a healthy one? The information presented above just scratches the surface showing the pathological nature of these sexual practices. Much more could be shared (e.g., the homosexual is three times more suicidal than the heterosexual; a recent study shows the life expectancy of homosexual men and women without AIDS being about 33 years shorter than that of the heterosexual; and so forth),45 but space will not permit it. I believe that any unbiased reader would have to admit that homosexuality is neither a healthy lifestyle nor a natural one.

In the next issue of the JOURNAL I will deal briefly with the gay rights movement's political agenda. I will also examine their considerably successful attempts to change the outlooks of both Christians and Jews towards homosexuality


Now, compare this with what I view as a 'moral' relationship. One man and one woman married for life. There is no strange or destructive sexual behavior. They can have kids or not have kids if they want. Also, there is no spreading of STD's because they only have sex with each other.

Which is more healthy?

Now, is it wrong in the absolute sense? For something to be wrong or right in that way then it definitely must not be a matter of opinion. Also, The standard must also be set by someone or something that is above us in authority (i.e. the government can make laws, but the average joe bloe can't just declare a law because he doen't have the authority. Therefore, for absolutes there must be an authority higher than mankind.)

I know most of you don't believe in God, but you asked why I believe homosexuality is wrong in the absolute sense so I can only state what I believe.

I believe homosexuality is wrong in the absolute sense because God has declared it as wrong.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers will inherit the knigdom of God." I Corinthians 6:9,10

"Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools...Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading fo theri bodies with one another...God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Romans 1:21-27

Actions have consequences. God declared homosexuality wrong (for humans) because he knew what the consequences were for it.

Can you really expect anyone to believe that one man with one woman (both of whom keep themselves virgin for each other) married for life is not a healthier lifestyle than any other? (Of course, one could always choose not to marry, and there nothing wrong with that)

-phil

Dr Rick

from the Christian Research Institute!

Yeah, it's a real balanced examination of the issues:

Of course, heterosexual sex is unhealthy, too. It transmits many diseases, and is the single most common mode of HIV and most other STD transmissions.

These practices are "typical" of heterosexuals," too, and the adverse effects on some of these organs are almost exclusively the result of heterosexual sex: the vagina and uterus are rarely damaged in the course of homosexual sex.

The rest of this rag describes things that can happen as a result of various sexual practices, none of which are exclusive to homosexuals

This one, though, is a real hoot:

RRoman

So wait, let me get this straight... Homosexuality is wrong because Anal sex, fisting, oral sex, and STD's are unhealthy?

Not to mention that the article uses the bigotry to justify the bigotryI would also like to know what practices restricted to homosexuality cause damage in the "lungs...brain, skin, blood, immune system"

Edit: Damm Dr. Rick, you beat me to it!

Dr Rick

Looks like we've abandoned the...
...argument.

He also purportedly declared that you shouldn't eat shellfish, a slave should obey his master, a man should marry a virgin that he has raped, and disobedient boys should be stoned to death.

scigirl

phil,

Do you think that medical risks are a good way to define morality in every type of behavior, or just sex? Did you know that drinking water in many countries is very risky behavior? Does this mean water is immoral?

Also, according to your own analysis, lesbian sex is the most safe sex there is - and has the added bonus of no unwanted pregancy?

Of course we all know what you really think - your religion tells you to hate gay sex, so you find any statistics that back up your story. I seriously doubt you came to your conclusions after a careful analysis of the scientific data.

As to your references to the book full of

Middle Eastern fairy tales, well I agree with Don Morgan's analysis of how useful that collection of stories is when deriving a moral system for humanity.

scigirl