Glory

You not only assume that all women are the same, you put them into two extreme categories which illfit the vast majority of us.



I can't for the life of me imagine what word you are looking for as you have attempted to seperate from the word belong whilst going on to define spouses as possessions.

A wife may have any of a hundred reasons for not allowing her husband to sleep with prostitutes none of which indicate ownership of her husband. It is you who thinks in terms of ownership and here you have, once again, lumped all wives into one category.



You clearly failed to understand them.



I said some of them are skanks. I also said some were noble. You have now crossed the line into being dishonest as well as disingenuous. I could not care less if you believe what I say (about my own oppinions). When you misrepresent what I have said in order to make it appear that my oppinions are other than what they are, you have truly disgraced yourself.



"Highly improbable" were the words you used. You imply something about the vast majority of marraiges which you are not in any place to know. Furthermore, you did make the argument that most men use prostitutes because they cannot ask their wives for what they want and because those that do ask are refused. Are you trying to deny your argument on top of denying that you made it?




Then what is your argument and why do you keep posting irrelevancies?



What source is that?



Which conventional statements are those? The ones where I say that a sexually mature society would embrace prostitution as a healthy aspect of sexuality?

If you knew anything about me you might have leg to stand on. You have avoided learning anything about me and consequently your assumtions are shots in the dark which so far have missed the barn.



I don't believe you do.



No, just stating a fact.



About skanks, yes i did.



I am sorry for saying you had a little head.



Apparantly not much that you can stick to.



Please provide examples of my contradicting myself, as you imply I have done.



Observation? As in stating what you have observed and think is true?



So what are your statements indicative of? Hint: You have two choices. They represent either your oppinions or what you believe are facts.



You have no idea what my observation of prostitution is nor have you any grasp of my oppinion. You have steadfastly avoided observing both of these things.



No argument here.



You have done an admirable job of mimicking those qualities then.



I have never claimed to be unbiased. It is your assumtions as to what my bias is and where it stems from that I refute. The prevailing religion in this country affects us each in unique ways. How can you possibly know how it affected me? For that matter, how can you possibly know what else may or may not have helped form my bias?

I don't know as I am not opposed to it. I am equally ignorant of how I might argue any other point were I different from what I am.

Glory

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Jagged

Okay just asking... might I ask if you could describe these skills? (I'm taking notes)

Amen-Moses

Mine or theirs?

Actually I think any descriptions worth a damn would probably break some forum rule or other but suffice to say that muscle control, imagination and basic stamina factor into the equation.

Another great skill is purely to be (or at least to portray) an interest in the physical pleasure you are giving, i.e I have heard many complaints from girlfriends that their previous lovers used foreplay as a means to an end rather than as an intense pleasurable experience in itself.

The only complaint I ever got (apart from having a rather small penis ) was that I wasn't rough enough, well in actual fact the comment was "you were so gentle, I'm not used to that" which may have been a compliment I suppose.

One GF who I dumped rather quickly actually introduced me to her friends as "not much in the dick dept but gives good head"! Talk about destroying a guys ego.

Amen-Moses

Bumble Bee Tuna

Sorry, should I put it in formal format?

1. Sex is fun.
2. Sex for many people is neither emotionally nor physically damaging. Sometimes, it is harmful, usually because religious beliefs make the person feel guilty.
3. For something to be bad, it must cause harm to someone.
4. Prostitution is enjoyable for both parties, and harms neither.
Therefore:
Prostitution is not bad.

I'm not a pro at formally proving things, but how formal do we have to be? I think the point is perfectly clear without doing bulleted arguments with bulleted inferrences that lead to a conclusion. I wasn't aware we needed sticks up our asses to participate.

-B

[edited to add: It should be noted that this argument does not apply to ALL instances of prostitution. Blanket statements are rather silly. Rather, In many prostitution transactions, neither parties are harmed, and both parties gain. Therefore, in many cases, prostitution is not bad. But, like nearly all things, there are some instances where it can have negative consequences.]

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lunachick

Wrong.

I'm just enjoying reading this thread at the moment, but wanted to step in to say, "Wrong!" here.

lunachick

This is not entirely true, either. There are cases of harm to both parties. It depends on the individual, and their ability to handle things. Not everyone can. Sorry to be vague - I may jump back into this more later, but I'm being mentally lazy at the moment.

Edit: spelling

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Jagged

Okay. Noted.
Sensuality & eroticism. But you're a guy, right? Just wondering how that would relate to female prostitutes.
Ouch. Gee, I would not say that even if I thot it was true. Guys are much too sensitive about their penises already. But ya know what they say, it's not how deep you plough, it's how long you stay in the field...

luna - would you like to expand on that not that i don't appreciate the unqualified criticism...

btw lest i ruin my chances of ever picking up an infidel male, let me qualify an earlier statement by saying i personally have no problems with giving my men oral satisfaction i was just hypothesizing that maybe prostitutes spend a lot of time giving head to guys who are too scared to ask their wives or have been turned down.

Bumble Bee Tuna

Luna- I edited for clarity. I would have assumed, though, that it would be obvious that I didn't mean that prostitution never harms people...

-B

The Other Michael

1. Sex may or may not be fun.
2. Sex may (or may not) prove emotionally or physically damaging.
3. For something to be bad, it must cause harm to someone.
4. Prostitution may or may not be enjoyable for those involved (might be more than the two your statement posited), and may or may not harm either.
Therefore:
Prostitution may or may not be bad.
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This seems more accurate to me. I can't say it gives a real clear cut answer though.

cheers,
Michael

Jagged

I would agree. I was just getting sidetracked by my female pride which was hurt by the suggestion that a prostitute would be a superior lover.

And I do support the legalization of prostitution.