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Gemma Therese · 01-14-2003, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by happyboy
you know, seebs.....

if there were more christians like you, the world would be a better place.

happyboy

Or St. Therese

Gemma Therese

tdekeyser · 01-14-2003, 04:18 PM

Yes Gemma, you deserve recognition too... (((HUG))))

happyboy · 01-14-2003, 04:20 PM

no, gemma, i don't mean psychotics, i mean christians who use their brains and don't listen to the voices their illnesses are making them hear.

happyboy

Gemma Therese · 01-14-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by happyboy
no, gemma, i don't mean psychotics, i mean christians who use their brains and don't listen to the voices their illnesses are making them hear.

happyboy

happyboy, follow the link. St. Therese had no visions during her short life. She lived the simple and austere life of a Carmelite nun.

Gemma Therese

Autonemesis · 01-14-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by seebs
I think I have found a way to bring skepticism and faith together, much improving both.

Sounds like an emulsion.

tdekeyser · 01-14-2003, 04:28 PM

Seebs,

Yeah, I can see some of what you say, even though I have a very different reality....

I have no 'talking' going on in my head except my own subconcious mind. I am very aware of it and I even made it a best friend. It tells me positive things (I re-programmed it 10 years ago) most of the time and helps me be aware of my surroundings (situational awareness).

No 'other' voices are ever, ever heard. That seems scary to me...

As far as the testimonials that you have described, Hmmm....

That happens to me and my friends too (I guess). I mean, I could applay those 'ironic' situations to things that happen to everyone. How many people here have been short $$ one month, but then a 5th week pay month comes up or something?

I guess I have another question then.....

What benefit has theism given you? Has it saved your job, marriage, kids drug problems, life or something that you can describe? I'm looking for what it could do for me or someone like me. I have never been introduced to theism until I came to FUNDY Texas (ick).

I have/obtained everything I have ever wanted (mostly) and I never feel 'weak' enough to reach out for help to a deity. What use do I have for such a faith?

Corgan Sow · 01-14-2003, 05:14 PM

Is this some kind of tolerance we should have when expecting answer from a CHRISTIAN here? Seebs didn't attack our "faith" and there we go, one of us calling him a loony who believes in God because he hears voices. I'm surprised the mods don't do anything about it.

tdekeyser · 01-14-2003, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Corgan Sow
Is this some kind of tolerance we should have when expecting answer from a CHRISTIAN here? Seebs didn't attack our "faith" and there we go, one of us calling him a loony who believes in God because he hears voices. I'm surprised the mods don't do anything about it.

What are you talking about? Who is attacking and who said looney..?? I'm not sure I saw that post...

seebs · 01-14-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by beejay
Without trying to get into an argument here, can we agree that if that is your definition of having prayers answered, everybody's prayers get answered?

I'm not sure. Yes, no, and maybe. Depending on how you look at it, either many of my prayers are "not answered", or often the answer is "no".

I think some people never get "results" to their prayers; I don't know what the mechanism of variance is. Some people say it's a function of faith; I don't know that I have any way of evaluating this claim.

pz · 01-14-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by seebs
No, rather differently, in fact. I don't know any people who have had experiences for which they feel an explanation is necessary, and elves are the best explanation.

That's bias on your part. I don't find magical sky daddies to be the 'best explanation' for anything, either. Gods, elves, ghosts, and other such supernatural delusions that lack all evidential support are pretty much the same brand of nonsense, as far as I'm concerned. You haven't provided any reason to think your vaporous christian deity has played any more significant role in human events than the fairies have.

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No, stretching it beyond recognition is insisting that skeptics think everything is false until shown otherwise.

I was not referring to any such conception. I find it peculiar that someone who is willing to believe that supernatural beings are handing out guitars to people can actually call himself a skeptic.

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01-14-2003, 04:18 PM	#12
tdekeyser Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 341	Yes Gemma, you deserve recognition too... (((HUG))))

01-14-2003, 04:20 PM	#13
happyboy Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the border between here and there, WV Posts: 373	no, gemma, i don't mean psychotics, i mean christians who use their brains and don't listen to the voices their illnesses are making them hear. happyboy

01-14-2003, 04:28 PM	#16
tdekeyser Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 341	Seebs, Yeah, I can see some of what you say, even though I have a very different reality.... I have no 'talking' going on in my head except my own subconcious mind. I am very aware of it and I even made it a best friend. It tells me positive things (I re-programmed it 10 years ago) most of the time and helps me be aware of my surroundings (situational awareness). No 'other' voices are ever, ever heard. That seems scary to me... As far as the testimonials that you have described, Hmmm.... That happens to me and my friends too (I guess). I mean, I could applay those 'ironic' situations to things that happen to everyone. How many people here have been short $$ one month, but then a 5th week pay month comes up or something? I guess I have another question then..... What benefit has theism given you? Has it saved your job, marriage, kids drug problems, life or something that you can describe? I'm looking for what it could do for me or someone like me. I have never been introduced to theism until I came to FUNDY Texas (ick). I have/obtained everything I have ever wanted (mostly) and I never feel 'weak' enough to reach out for help to a deity. What use do I have for such a faith?

01-14-2003, 05:14 PM	#17
Corgan Sow Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,537	Is this some kind of tolerance we should have when expecting answer from a CHRISTIAN here? Seebs didn't attack our "faith" and there we go, one of us calling him a loony who believes in God because he hears voices. I'm surprised the mods don't do anything about it.

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