Amos

. . . that a hypostatic union is needed for humans to be set free from their own ego-conscious slavery.

The Convergence of the Twain

In this poem Thomas Hardy compares the ego consciousness of humans with the Titanic and the Iceberg with the Immanent Will that is bent towards the collision that jars our two hemispheres.

Beatifull poem and I love the "wide-eyed fishes" best!

malai5

Dear Amos.

An anology so simple yet so profound.
Events brought to fruition by causes and effects, choices made paths cemented destinies claimed.

Cheers.

Malai5.

Amos

You got her! Fruition: yes, cause and effect: yes, choices made: yes, paths cemented (nicely put): yes, destiny claimed: yes. I dare say "claimed" because Hardy wrote the poem to tell us about it. He was an artist like Joyce and not [just] a poet-- if I may make that distinction.

The imagery is absolutely 'out of this world.'

beastmaster

Thomas Hardy is a genius -- I agree: an artist with words and a brilliant mind. Thanks for the link, Amos.

I'm a little partial to God's Funeral.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

malai5

Dear Amos.

All of the worlds creative people are connected with the Universal mind, the collective consciousness and we see it in their ''works''.
They may not know, but they release themselves to their ''gift''. Those that will see the true meaning in what they say or express are truly blessed as they are being exposed to the greater understanding of it all. Those that only see the literal and not the meaning behind are doomed to a life of little colour.

What you do not see, you do not miss.

No wonder those of ''gifts'' have so much trouble being accepted in the 3 D society, for they, in truth are in it but not of it.

Cheers.

Malai5.

Amos

Here I must disagree with the word "doomed" regardless of how true it is at the moment. I resent the negative connotation behind "doomed" and think that only religion can lead to such damnation. We must take care never to damn ourselves until its all over.

The, your 3D self (my ego), is good, and great, and greatly to be admired because it is needed to colour our world while on earth before it can ever be enjoyed in eternity (after realization).

Amos

Thanks beastmaster and very typical, now by Hardy.

His freedom from religion is the end of his religion that had served him well. His 'idea' of God is dead and now he is God, but does not quite say that he is.
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'Till, in Time's stayless stealthy swing,
Uncompromising rude reality
Mangled the Monarch of our fashioning,
Who quavered, sank; and now has ceased to be.

Remember "Father Time?" Here is his moment of awakening and this is followed by realization=understanding that religion had served him well.


'And who or what shall fill his place?
Whither will wanderers turn distracted eyes
For some fixed star to stimulate their pace
Towards the goal of their enterprise?'...


Alludes to the Freeman now in charge of his own destiny.

malai5

Dear Amos.

The word ''doomed'', is a bit negative, but only in 3D perceptions. To accept that certain actions do lead to a negative result is just a realisation of the truth of the situation. In a 3D world, the emotional quotient is given great weight over the rational.
Yes, we have emotions, but they are lessons in themselves, they often lead you away from the truth of the situation and the truth of self. To see a situation as being right or wrong because of the emotional weight, is not to see the truth. Rose coloured glasses do the same thing.

The 3D ego, is a driving force, not an end in itself. But like any strong force, can be used to either create or destroy. Like any strong emotion, it can be creative or destructive as well as a blindfold to the truth.

Cheers.

Malai5.

jpbrooks

Hello agAin, Malai5!

I'm not trying to "hijack" this thread, but i'm still trying to understand your view of the "self". How, for example, could the "3D ego" ever acquire the knowledge that it takes to become a "bigger self" if it is completely incapable of rational thought? Perhaps a better view might be that each part or aspect of the "self" retains its own capabilities, but that the group of "selves" becomes more "proficient" at functioning in an organized manner as the "whole" ("self") becomes more aware of the way it, and its "parts" can "ideally" work together.

But it's probably better to look for models of the "self" that can explain things like "intuition", "mystical experiences", "paranormal phenomena", etc., in a manner that is consistent with what we already know about the brain and its operation from scientific (e.g., cognitive) psychological research.

malai5

Dear jpbrooks.

When the ''ego' is surrendered to the higher self, by knowing that there is something to surrender to, this intent, opens the way to the self organising of the selves. Once you open the ''door'' you can never go back. (you can, but it is very confusing, you know, you can't unring a bell.)

Yes, you get a greater perspective of (1) the ''little'' self as compared to the higher self way.
Intuition, is present all the time but is only truly exposed when the ''little'' self ''chattery'' mind is stilled.
The Brain, is really only a processor for the 3D responces, inputs and outputs. It seems to be bypassed to a great degree when bringing through cognitive/intuitive thought. This you receive through your ''energy'' self, the true energetic connection to your higher self and true self.

Cheers.

Malai5.