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Well, if we are accepting the Bible as the divine word of God, then God has to be omniscient, or He wouldn't be able to fulfill over 300 prophecies predicted 1000 years earlier through Jesus Christ.
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How do you know they were fulfilled? The Bible tells you that they were fulfilled, but the Bible is the word of God – so basically God is telling you He fulfilled his prophecies. Well, He would, wouldn’t He?
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God has to be omnipotent, or He couldn't create the universe, perform miracles, and ressurect the dead.
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Again, how do you know that He did all this? Because He is telling you in the ‘word of God’? How do you know He is telling the truth?
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He is benevolent because He sent His Son to Earth to die for our sins so that we can be saved.
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Well, that’s what He tells you, but why trust a complete stranger as to this? If I told you this in a book would you believe me?
Same response applies with other claims as to God’s attributes.
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we are taking the Bible as correct and the Word of God
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No we’re not. We don’t know that it is correct, because we don’t know that God is telling us the truth. You cannot justify the claim that the Bible is true just because it says that it’s author wouldn’t lie. You are trying to justify claim A [biblical truth] with claim B [god’s goodness and omniscience], which is turn only justified by claim A, which is justified by claim B, etc.
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What right does the Government have in declaring laws that must be followed, or else be punished?
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Democratic mandate?
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The difference between the two, is that God is infinite and perfect, therefore we are held to infinitely higher standards and laws, than a government of our peers (humans) could ever declare. God created us and the universe, and declared all the laws by which His standards of perfection require.
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There is no proof of His goodness and omniscience other than what He tells you. For all you know He could be wrong, because He hasn’t proved His omniscience.
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He did justify and prove the veracity of His word.
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Nope. He just told us it was true.
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If the government doesn't justify the laws they write on your terms, enough for you to accept them, are you exempt from punishment just because you didn't agree with them, or you wanted to follow your own laws instead?
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The people give power to the government, and if the government doesn’t sufficiently explain and justify its laws to the people then the people can take away that power.
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He asks us to have faith in Him.
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You say ‘asks’ – but its really more of a demand, seeing as he threatens us with eternal torture if we decide that He has not offered sufficient proof of His divinity.
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Because the reasoning He gave you is now corrupted by your own sin, as well as temptation from Satan. Evil and sin turn your reasoning from a tool given from God to understand His creation, to a tool that attempts disprove Him in order to not face consequences or continue to live the way you want to. Its when humans use reasoning in opposition of God, in order to disprove Him or sastify your own needs and wants, that your reasoning is corrupt.
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No, it is contrary to logic to believe the claims of a stranger with no proof other than his own word. So why create this situation?
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Well, God did provide proof.
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What proof other than His word?
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So by what right does your finite mind have, to justify the actions and mind of an infinite, perfect God, who created you? What gives you the ability to determine whats right and wrong, over God, who created morality? You may be able to declare whats morally right and wrong of other humans, because you are at the same level of understanding and expectations. But you are infinitely less than God, and as such, don't have the right to tell Him whats right and wrong, because His expectations and understanding are infinitely higher than yours.
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All very well, but God refuses to prove His superiority.
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If God only claimed to be who He said He was, and not who He actually is, He has no power to judge you. But if He is who He said He is, then His Sovereign authority dictates and judges the entire universe on His criteria, and no one elses.
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I agree. That is why proof is needed that He is who He says He is.
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How is God ruling your life?
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He sets rules and punishes us for breaking them. And He has no authority to do so until He proves that He is who He says He is.
07-21-2003, 05:32 AM
