Seraphim

Of course, but sometimes that can make them feel sadder when after I'm gone.

My reply : You can't control how others feel, especially if you're dead. So no use trying to control them.

Besides, even so they will be sad when you're gone, their memories of you making them happy will live after you. In the end, you will leave something worth leaving behind.

I see your point, but after I'm dead, I'm not going to know all about the consequences, so it won't bother me afterwards. It can only bother me before I'm gone, and influence me not to commit suicide, for example.

My reply : You see only half my point (which is much better than none).

You are trying to make them feel sadder knowing you because you don't want them to be sad when you leave, right? It means you care for them and don't want them to be sad for that.

You will die (hell ... we ALL will die), only difference is the time, place and circumstances of our death, so only two this is obvious here :
1. Death.
2. They WILL be sad (whether they cared for you or hate you, that is no diference, they will be sad).

Sadness is not something you can stop others from having, and they will have it more if you be cold toward them.

The only difference I can see here is the intensity of that sadness which you can control - more sadder if you make them hate you (since you are adding the burden of Hate toward that sadness) OR less sadder (since your memories will accompany them).

Afterall, the bottomline is You don't wish to make them sad if you die, right?

winstonjen

Unless, of course, they hate my guts, in which case they probably will be celebrating. I may not be able to control their reaction, but I can influence it through my behaviour.

Seraphim

Unless, of course, they hate my guts, in which case they probably will be celebrating. I may not be able to control their reaction, but I can influence it through my behaviour.

My reply : They will be celebrating IF you were Adolf Hitler

No way a person could PO another person THAT much that they will celebrate (I picture someone dancing on your grave) your death.

Hate is double-edge sword, the more you hate another, the deeper it cuts you as well.

The more they hate you, the deeper they will feel when you have gone away.
WHY? Because they will have no opportunity to show their hatred toward you.
And what happens if they did? The hatred will decrease because once the hatred is release (by shouting it onto the person's face or some other methods of releasing it out of your mind) and you will be back to square one - trying to make them hate you so they will not be sad.

What you have here is a LOOP of emotions. You are sad because they WILL be sad when you die - You make them hate you :

Loop 1 : You die, they will SADDER (which you try to avoid) because they had hate you when you were alive.

Loop 2 : They will express their hatred, thus the hate will decrease, thus sadness will emerge when you die.

Do you see anywhere out of this loop? :banghead:

"Humans weren't meant to bring happiness to each other" - Psyho Mantis - Metal Gear Solid (a game - for those who doesn't know).

That doesn't mean they could stop from trying (to bring happiness to others), right?

Monkeybot

I disagree with your assumption though. I think if you are suddenly, inexplicably mean to someone, all you will do is cause them to wonder "Why does winstonjen suddenly hate me? What did I do wrong?" If you die without ever explaining, the living will be left wondering for the rest of their lives, never knowing what went wrong, never knowing that it wasn't their fault at all.