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Theli · 01-12-2002, 07:31 AM

Here's my ideas why the god-figure is said to exist.
That the god you speak of is 3 different gods.

1. The first one is the authority figure or parent figure. God is often said to be protective, to shield you from danger. Doesn't this sound like a parallel to a childs mother? The birthgiver, and the source for comfort and security. And then it is the judging side of god wich punishes you if you don't do what your told, and is very strict. Also a parallel, but this time more on the father's side. Then we have the "allknowing" part. And isn't this also childs view on it's parents (or atleast wish) that they are the initial source of learning and guidence?
I don't know about you, but when I was a child I often envisioned my toys to have personalities and in some way be imaginary friends.
Couldn't this be same with god and parents? When you grow up and the authority ties are broken between you and your parents, you might still be in need of those figures. And "god" is a way to fill the gap wich your parents once filled.

2. The mythical/biblical god. The figure, that among with angels, demons, UFO's, unicorns... and so on... represent a imaginary reality. A reality that is way more apealing than a reality based on atoms, mathematics and natural laws. And as those texts describing this reality are often VERY old, the people who wrote them and supposedly witness these phenomenon was obviosly very superstitious and scared of what they couldn't grasp.
If the story of the Bermuda Triangle and how it makes ship sink would have, for some reason ended up in the bible, your would never hear of any methan boubles packed in the ground beneath the bottom of the sea. There would have been demons, angels and gods everywhere.
And there would be nothing to disprove it... Seeing the scientific knowledge they had back then.
Fantasies are much more apealing than reality. Why else do we watch TV and movies or read fictional books so much?

3. The creator. Who is claimed to have created the entire universe. Since this is very much a scientific theory it should be treated just as any other scientific theories.
Once good way to argue this is, "Does the universe need a conscious being to exist as it does today?" By debating gods existance from if you can measure him or not is futile and won't lead anywhere.

For some reason these 3 figures has been packed into 1, simply called "GOD". Religions does in many ways fill these needs, but it can also exploit the needs to further their own agenda.

I better put on a helmet because there will probably be alot of rock throwing in my direction.
I would however like you to reflect on this. This might have some profound truth behind it or it might just be horseshit.

Foxhole Atheist · 01-12-2002, 09:07 AM

It is my understanding that the triune Christian God arose after the council of Nicocea sometime around 315 or 325 AD under the auspices of Constantine. This nature of the Christian god was necessary to bring the Christian factions of the time together so as to unify the then existing church. Prior to this action, Jesus and God were separate entities and considerable in-fighting within the church was obstructing its progress.

Prior to that time, the schism within the church had developed through those that considered Jesus to be the Son of God, but not divine as opposed to those that believed Jesus to be divine as well. By developing the triune God of Christianity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, the Christian church became more unified and therefore, more successful in its proselytizing efforts of the masses.

Boro Nut · 01-14-2002, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by Theli:
3 gods in one package.

Sounds like a tempting offer at first, but what if you live alone? Can you freeze two for later?

Vorkosigan · 01-14-2002, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boro Nut:


Sounds like a tempting offer at first, but what if you live alone? Can you freeze two for later?

Stop it! Not in the middle of a thread! I just spit my tea all over muy keyboard!

Michael

Theli · 01-14-2002, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by Boro Nut:


Sounds like a tempting offer at first, but what if you live alone? Can you freeze two for later?

Hmmm... Well to only have one of them doesn't really prove anything. But you can try it out.

CodeMason · 01-14-2002, 10:17 AM

With Christianity, anything's possible! Things can be both different AND the same!

Theli · 01-14-2002, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by CodeMason:
With Christianity, anything's possible! Things can be both different AND the same!

Yes, I've noticed this... Things can exist and not exist at the same time. Things can be right and wrong at the same time... and so on.

Datheron · 01-14-2002, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Boro Nut:


Sounds like a tempting offer at first, but what if you live alone? Can you freeze two for later?

In such dire situations, I would suggest sacrificing the latter two to the first, then heating the first to a roasty 350 F for at least an hour. Best served on cruifixes.

Theli · 01-14-2002, 02:54 PM

I suppose this is what you get for thinking...

John the Atheist · 01-14-2002, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by Theli:
This might have some profound truth behind it or it might just be horseshit.

It's not the former.

John

01-12-2002, 07:31 AM	#1
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	3 gods in one package. Here's my ideas why the god-figure is said to exist. That the god you speak of is 3 different gods. 1. The first one is the authority figure or parent figure. God is often said to be protective, to shield you from danger. Doesn't this sound like a parallel to a childs mother? The birthgiver, and the source for comfort and security. And then it is the judging side of god wich punishes you if you don't do what your told, and is very strict. Also a parallel, but this time more on the father's side. Then we have the "allknowing" part. And isn't this also childs view on it's parents (or atleast wish) that they are the initial source of learning and guidence? I don't know about you, but when I was a child I often envisioned my toys to have personalities and in some way be imaginary friends. Couldn't this be same with god and parents? When you grow up and the authority ties are broken between you and your parents, you might still be in need of those figures. And "god" is a way to fill the gap wich your parents once filled. 2. The mythical/biblical god. The figure, that among with angels, demons, UFO's, unicorns... and so on... represent a imaginary reality. A reality that is way more apealing than a reality based on atoms, mathematics and natural laws. And as those texts describing this reality are often VERY old, the people who wrote them and supposedly witness these phenomenon was obviosly very superstitious and scared of what they couldn't grasp. If the story of the Bermuda Triangle and how it makes ship sink would have, for some reason ended up in the bible, your would never hear of any methan boubles packed in the ground beneath the bottom of the sea. There would have been demons, angels and gods everywhere. And there would be nothing to disprove it... Seeing the scientific knowledge they had back then. Fantasies are much more apealing than reality. Why else do we watch TV and movies or read fictional books so much? 3. The creator. Who is claimed to have created the entire universe. Since this is very much a scientific theory it should be treated just as any other scientific theories. Once good way to argue this is, "Does the universe need a conscious being to exist as it does today?" By debating gods existance from if you can measure him or not is futile and won't lead anywhere. For some reason these 3 figures has been packed into 1, simply called "GOD". Religions does in many ways fill these needs, but it can also exploit the needs to further their own agenda. I better put on a helmet because there will probably be alot of rock throwing in my direction. I would however like you to reflect on this. This might have some profound truth behind it or it might just be horseshit.

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01-12-2002, 09:07 AM	#2
Foxhole Atheist Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Batavia, Ohio USA Posts: 180	It is my understanding that the triune Christian God arose after the council of Nicocea sometime around 315 or 325 AD under the auspices of Constantine. This nature of the Christian god was necessary to bring the Christian factions of the time together so as to unify the then existing church. Prior to this action, Jesus and God were separate entities and considerable in-fighting within the church was obstructing its progress. Prior to that time, the schism within the church had developed through those that considered Jesus to be the Son of God, but not divine as opposed to those that believed Jesus to be divine as well. By developing the triune God of Christianity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, the Christian church became more unified and therefore, more successful in its proselytizing efforts of the masses.

01-14-2002, 10:17 AM	#6
CodeMason Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 226	With Christianity, anything's possible! Things can be both different AND the same!

01-14-2002, 02:54 PM	#9
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	I suppose this is what you get for thinking...

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