NobleSavage

Finally, the world has a philosophically and logically sound proof for the existence of God - and who would have ever though a mere Sunday school teacher would be the one to figure it out!!!

You really need to tell your teacher that he/she needs to get this revolutionary discovery published and let the rest of the world know. A solid proof of the existence of God will rock the foundations of philosophy and change the course of human history. The best and brightest Christian minds in history from St. Anselm on have tried their dandiest to prove the existence of God only to be shot down by other great minds.

Seriously, your "teacher" is displaying cavalier hubris of a nature that only comes form complete ignorance. I don't know much about philosophy, but at least I am aware of my lack of knowledge.

Who was it that said, "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt? Lincoln?

NearNihil Experience

From the Bible:
1.Knowledge of right and wrong and good and evil came not from God, but from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil...something God forbade man from learning!...ask him if he remembers the Adam and Eve story, obviously he doesn't.

Going with his logic...
2. Nowhere does it say God gave us discernment of right and wrong. If anything, when Jesus completed his sacrifice, right and wrong became meaningless...as faith in the ressurection of the body and faith in the truth of Christ is all one needs to live a good life. One needs no knowledge of right and wrong if one only has faith in overridding Grace.

Science:
3. Feelings about right and wrong stem directly from our culture and society...nothing is ingrained in us but the reactions to our environment.Everything else we learn. Right and wrong are products of our perceptions and environments...right and wrong has always been substituted for their proper terms, beneficial and un-beneficial. Right and wrong are definitions of taste...beneficial and un-beneficial are objective designations of action.

Go get 'em.

Tuvar Ane Ingolenen

I was going to say that!

And
Bachus must exist because we have wine.
Ninkasi must exist because we have beer.
Iluvatar must exist because we have music.
Cupid must exist because people fall in love.

blink

I'm assuming that someone like Cardinal Bernard Law kept his good relationship with God. With God all things are possible?

Johann_Kaspar

Dave,

Conscience is an electro-chemical phenomenon. As well as memory. dog has no part in it. Human beings with an Alzheimer disease are losing conscience (and memory) at the same rate their brain is damaged.

People who are explaining things with dog show very little knowledge - if at all - about how things work. No miracle here.

AJ113

Dave
It's a logical fallacy, namely non-sequitur. It's as simple as that.

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#nonseq

Here are few more examples for you:

We all have a conscience, therefore the IPU exists.
We all have a conscience, therefore Santa exists.
We all have a conscience, therefore Mr Spock exists.
We all have conscience, therefore wibble.
We all have conscience, therefore god exists.

They're all nonsense because they're all fallacies. If your teacher still insisits on this flawed line of reasoning, try this:

Teacher: We all have a conscience, therefore god exists.
You: Which one? Please define 'god'

Newton Joseph

In order to know right from wrong one must have a pre-knowledge of what is right and wrong. If not how would you be able to recognize what is right or wrong? This is why we have “ignorance of the law is not an excuse�?

Ego

Hey Dave, might I recommend the book "Consciousness Explained" By Daniel Dennett. from what I've read so far of Dennett his writing style is pleasant and readable to anyone.

And in case you're wondering, the books about consciousness, in a kind of summary of what I've heard about it Dennett thinks Consciousness is a result of evolution (or something like that) but I'll have to read it my self before I can give you a proper summary, but like I said of what I've read so far its a good book and is well written in my opinion.

Other than that, you could ask how this "Teacher" knows that it is the Christian God? What about Allah? What about Zeus? What about the Hindu gods? Is it a result of natural processes? Has the "teacher" gone through a methodical process and came to the conclusion that it is the Christian God? Or has this "teacher" meerly dismissed those other possiblilities without thinking?

Also you could accuse this person of doing the fatal "God of the gaps!"