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gilly54 · 12-01-2002, 02:54 PM

I wonder what, if any, inner discussions went on in this doctor's head when he found himself with Osama as a patient. Why would he turn this guy loose to do more terror killings? Why wasn't Musharraf (sp?) told that Bin Laden was being treated in Pakistan? Did the MD know that if he turned Osama in, the US would reward him with $25M, declare him a hero and probably re-locate him and his whole family to the US to avoid a fatwah? Or did Bin Laden maybe pay him more for his silence?

99Percent · 12-01-2002, 04:51 PM

Ditto for all those assisting and collaborating with Osama. They are probably bound by religion, namely a belief in Allah.

echidna · 12-01-2002, 05:04 PM

In another context, a doctor treating GWB for a stuck pretzel might also consider for a moment the reward he could gain from Al Quaeda for his own treachery. (To say nothing of the numerous virgins should he die in the attempt ...)

case · 12-01-2002, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by echidna:
In another context, a doctor treating GWB for a stuck pretzel might also consider for a moment the reward he could gain from Al Quaeda for his own treachery. (To say nothing of the numerous virgins should he die in the attempt ...)

Good point.

winstonjen · 12-01-2002, 08:21 PM

This is what I think of that doctor's morals.

"Morals? Who needs 'em?"

gilly54 · 12-01-2002, 08:46 PM

Here's a news report.

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/11/27/pakistan.osama.doctor.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/11/27/pakistan.osama.doctor.ap/index.html</a>

It never occurred to him to turn Osama in for $25M?! Think of the much needed clinic improvements for his patients, (or the madrasas he could donate to). I hope we are keeping an eye on Dr.Aziz' bank account for any large deposits. I would also bet that Osama will seek our a different physician knowing that Dr. Aziz is probably being watched 24/7. Since it is to Pakistan that he goes for medical care, I would hope that we are keeping a close eye on all Western Pakistani physicians and clinics in case Osama needs medical care again.We still want to catch him, don't we?

Amen-Moses · 12-02-2002, 02:52 AM

Do they have doctors to treat patients on death row? If so why?

Amen-Moses

ageofreason2000 · 12-02-2002, 03:08 AM

Don't know if this has been discussed
but heard this a few days ago

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm</a>

"A team from the Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, Idiap, said it was 95% certain the tape does not feature the voice of the al-Qaeda leader."

So if the tape was a fake thebn Bin laden has been awfully quite.
That's because more than likely he is dead (IMHO).

Not to sound like a conspiricacy theorist, don't the powers that be have a vested interest in keeping bin laden alive as the "boogie man" to grease the passage of any questionable policies as a response to the "war on terror".

It's not just this of course, no gov't would want to announce he is dead if there is ANY chance he is not, to risk having him pop up and make them look like a right set of clowns.

Age (Bin is dead believer)

winstonjen · 12-02-2002, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amen-Moses:
Do they have doctors to treat patients on death row? If so why?

Well, for the same reason they can't have a 'last cigarette' - it's pointless. I don't know the 'why' of it, though.

Athiestpotato · 12-02-2002, 04:03 PM

As someone who is in the medical field I think I can answer the question of why the doctor treated Bin Laden. It is the same question that plays through an EMTor Paramedic's mind when that pick up a patient that they know is abuses their family, or when they are treating an intoxicated driver who just ran a red light and killed an entire family. The issue is not a matter of whether the individual has a right to live. Every individual who is in the medical field has a duty to treat their patients regardless of who their patient is. I would say that it would actually a greater moral transgression to pass judgement on a patient and to provide substandard or even no treatment than to treat an immoral individual.

12-01-2002, 02:54 PM	#1
gilly54 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Almaden, California Posts: 917	Thinking about the doctor who treated Osama I wonder what, if any, inner discussions went on in this doctor's head when he found himself with Osama as a patient. Why would he turn this guy loose to do more terror killings? Why wasn't Musharraf (sp?) told that Bin Laden was being treated in Pakistan? Did the MD know that if he turned Osama in, the US would reward him with $25M, declare him a hero and probably re-locate him and his whole family to the US to avoid a fatwah? Or did Bin Laden maybe pay him more for his silence?

12-02-2002, 03:08 AM	#8
ageofreason2000 Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: UK (London) Posts: 103	Don't know if this has been discussed but heard this a few days ago <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm</a> <i>"A team from the Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, Idiap, said it was 95% certain the tape does not feature the voice of the al-Qaeda leader."</i> So if the tape was a fake thebn Bin laden has been awfully quite. That's because more than likely he is dead (IMHO). Not to sound like a conspiricacy theorist, don't the powers that be have a vested interest in keeping bin laden alive as the "boogie man" to grease the passage of any questionable policies as a response to the "war on terror". It's not just this of course, no gov't would want to announce he is dead if there is ANY chance he is not, to risk having him pop up and make them look like a right set of clowns. Age (Bin is dead believer)

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12-01-2002, 04:51 PM	#2
99Percent Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: my mind Posts: 5,996	Ditto for all those assisting and collaborating with Osama. They are probably bound by religion, namely a belief in Allah.

12-01-2002, 05:04 PM	#3
echidna Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,832	In another context, a doctor treating GWB for a stuck pretzel might also consider for a moment the reward he could gain from Al Quaeda for his own treachery. (To say nothing of the numerous virgins should he die in the attempt ...)

12-01-2002, 08:21 PM	#5
winstonjen Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,425	This is what I think of that doctor's morals. "Morals? Who needs 'em?"

12-01-2002, 08:46 PM	#6
gilly54 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Almaden, California Posts: 917	Here's a news report. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/11/27/pakistan.osama.doctor.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/11/27/pakistan.osama.doctor.ap/index.html</a> It never occurred to him to turn Osama in for $25M?! Think of the much needed clinic improvements for his patients, (or the madrasas he could donate to). I hope we are keeping an eye on Dr.Aziz' bank account for any large deposits. I would also bet that Osama will seek our a different physician knowing that Dr. Aziz is probably being watched 24/7. Since it is to Pakistan that he goes for medical care, I would hope that we are keeping a close eye on all Western Pakistani physicians and clinics in case Osama needs medical care again.We still want to catch him, don't we?

12-02-2002, 02:52 AM	#7
Amen-Moses Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 4,652	Do they have doctors to treat patients on death row? If so why? Amen-Moses

12-02-2002, 04:03 PM	#10
Athiestpotato Junior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5	As someone who is in the medical field I think I can answer the question of why the doctor treated Bin Laden. It is the same question that plays through an EMTor Paramedic's mind when that pick up a patient that they know is abuses their family, or when they are treating an intoxicated driver who just ran a red light and killed an entire family. The issue is not a matter of whether the individual has a right to live. Every individual who is in the medical field has a duty to treat their patients regardless of who their patient is. I would say that it would actually a greater moral transgression to pass judgement on a patient and to provide substandard or even no treatment than to treat an immoral individual.

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