bonduca

Would like to third Oresta's second of PITW's first.

cheetah

Human life may be protected in the US, but certainly not fetus-life. The 14th Amendment, is the one that states that all citizens born or naturalized in the US shall enjoy all the rights. Which is a fetus?

And certainly science does not support the fact that festuses should be protected. First, science doesn't even tell us what is important and what isn't. That comes from us interpreting the data. Secondly, a fetus is alive, yes, and it is human, yes, but so are my skin cells. Shall I stop exfoliating? The bottom line is what is alive and what is human is no way to tell who should have rights given by the US Constitution. If that ever happens, in vitro needs to be a lot more available, because I sure as hell don't want to carry a baby around in my body for 9 months and be unable to make decisions for it or for myself because the Christians next door feel they have more of a right ot make those decisions than me!

[ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: cheetah ]</p>

PopeInTheWoods

Whoops, here's the link to <a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1789thanksgiving.html" target="_blank">Washington's proclamation</a>. Thanks to fromtheright for the original allusion to this, I admit I was quite surprised to see something like this from GW. Thankfully nothing in the proclamation specifically mentions xianity, although it looks like a monotheism is implicit. I guess you could stretch it to include a deist prime mover. Again, GW was writing to an almost exclusively xian and deist audience, and without the benefit of the important state/church SCOTUS rulings. Good job by Oresta showing that there were others besides the insignificant Payne, Adams, and Jefferson who were concerned about state/church independence back then.

Andy (PITW)

Kevin Dorner

I think this is the second stage: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3369-2002Jan31.html" target="_blank">Feds: Fetus Called 'Unborn Child'</a>

Quote: A developing fetus may be classified as an "unborn child" eligible for government health care.

Slayer Moon

It's funny how Dubya the Terrible claims to be waging war on terrorism while lending his support to such terrorists as Randall Terry of Operation ResKKKue and all the other "pro-life" goon squads.