mark9950

Did the bible writers write the bible God in the image of their cruel and murderous government rulers?

If they did it would explain why they wrote God as a murderer,especially when there was no commandment against looking in the ark,and the people who did got slaughtered from this God character.

YHWHtruth

Dan barker has some interesting material on "internet infidels"

He writes:

Is God peaceable?

Romans 15:33 "The God of peace."
Isaiah 2:4 ". . . and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any
more."

vs.

Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."
Joel 3:9-10 "Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let
them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the
weak say, I am strong."

Then writes:

Should we kill?

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . .
and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."
I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the
people with a great slaughter."
I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy
all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox
and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all
the people with the edge of the sword."
Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him
with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with children shall be ripped up."

Max

mark9950

Do not respond Unless you answer my question please.

Magus55

Why should we answer your stupid question when its only purpose is to mock us and God? You don't really care about the explanation - so why bother asking other than you must like hearing yourself talk (type).

Peter Kirby

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winstonjen

Yes, I have received a vision from god and he does indeed look like a jellyfish.

YHWHtruth

Winstron as to the first post:

The word "kill" is mistranslated here. It should be (ratsahh) Murder. The fact is that the Bible never uses the term ratsahh (murder) regarding any of those wars. When the Israelites warred at God's command, they weren't acting illegally. They were authorized by and were being directed by the Supreme giver of Laws. (Isa. 33:22; Ps. 19:7)

It is a fact that the nation of Israel fought in wars(see Exodus above), but Isaiah points to a time when "he makes wars cease" Psalms 46:9. It is after this point that "he will wipe out every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away." You have to look at the Bible as a cohesive whole, instead of picking scriptures at random.

Max

Javaman

Max,
Even if that were true, a VERY large number of Americans simply interperate that to mean:
Killing is OK as long as it's sanctioned by the state.
Taking of a life is "killing" when legal and "murder" when illegal. This is how the majority of Judeo-Christian people in the Armed Forces handle the dillema of the Commandment. Do you see it that way or do you only believe it was OK when God actually told people to kill?

mark9950

It does not matter the one is dead whether God murders or kills.I guess the bible writers played semantics when they wrote the bible to justify their Gods murderous rampages.

Murder is a sin,but I guess semantics will turn Gods sins into a justifyable act.

YHWHtruth

It is true Mark

A number of translations use the word “kill” at Exodus 20:13; among these are the Douay Version, the Catholic Confraternity, the American Standard Version and the Revised Standard Version. However, the New World Translation uses the word “murder” instead of “kill” at Exodus 20:13 because the Hebrew word here is ratsach, which means, according to Young’s Exhaustive Concordance, “to murder, pierce.” Regarding this same Hebrew word Strong’s lexicon of Hebrew words states: “ratsach, a prim. root, prop. to dash to pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder.” To murder means: “to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice or willfully, deliberately, and unlawfully.”—Webster’s Third New International Dictionary.

In its various forms the word ratsach occurs some forty times in the Hebrew Scriptures. Invariably it refers to the taking of human life, although not always wrongly or unlawfully. What, then, would determine whether the word should be rendered “kill (slay)” or “murder”? It would be upon the basis of the context and also what light the rest of God’s Word sheds upon the subject. In this regard it should be noted that even the King James Version, at times, renders this Hebrew word as “murder” or “murderer.” For instance, “they slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.” “The murderer rising with the light killeth the poor and needy.” (Ps. 94:6; Job 24:14) The Authorized Version, moreover, distinguishes between murder and accidental manslaying at Numbers 35:6-31, doing so according to the context; yet the Hebrew word involved is still ratsach: “They shall be unto you cities for refuge from the avenger; that the manslayer [ratsach] die not.” “If he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer [ratsach] shall surely be put to death.”—Num. 35:12, 16, AV.

It is evident, in the light of the rest of God’s Word, that Exodus 20:13 did not prohibit all killing; for the Israelites were allowed to put to death, in fact, were commanded by God to put to death murderers, idol worshipers, breakers of the sabbath, and so forth. Thus execution of a murderer would not be unlawful in God’s eyes and could not be considered “murder”; it would not be in violation of Exodus 20:13. (Gen. 9:6) Likewise, the pagan, demon-worshiping inhabitants of the land that Jehovah had promised to his people came under Jehovah’s judgment of execution for their sins, and he used his people, the Israelites, to carry out that execution. So their following this command of Jehovah’s was not a violation of his command at Exodus 20:13 and could not be considered as murder.

It is specifically unlawful killing (slaying) of a human or murder that God prohibits. With sound Scriptural reason, then, not only the New World Translation but also Robert Young’s version, James Moffatt’s version, Knox’s translation, the Soncino version and An American Translation render ratsach at Exodus 20:13 as “murder.”

Max