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Blu · 03-07-2002, 08:08 AM

I believe there is relative truth and then there is Absolute Truth which people have yet to find. Absolute Truth is the secret to all life, existence etc. No one on earth has this knowledge. But we all have our relative truths. These are personal truths. These are perceptions, beliefs born from experience. Atheists have their relative truth and each person with each their own perception of religion have their own relative truth.

No two relative truths can be the same down to its last detail because each person has their own perceptions, experiences, and way of looking at the world. Yet there are similarities because we all think using a human mind. Relative truths are like fingerprints; everyone has one and not one is the same as another.

Atheist argue that their relative truth is the only truth. Christians argue that their relative truth is the only truth and so on and so forth. This I consider is a little sad. Everyone is so concerned with being "right," when everyone is essentially wrong because Absolute Truth is not relative truth and will never be known by a human mind. Everyone is right because everyone is following their relative truth and each one of us is on our own path. No one has the authority to say anyone is wrong regarding religion.

This is my belief. I like to expand and discuss beliefs and sometimes I get caught up in discussions forgetting that like everyone, I do not know Absolute Truth either. LOL!

John Page · 03-07-2002, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by Blu:
<strong>Atheist argue that their relative truth is the only truth.</strong>

This is not absolutely true.

Blu · 03-07-2002, 08:25 AM

I thought I would include definitions of Relative and Absolute for your reading enjoyment:

The word �relative� is derived from the word �relativism�, which is defined as: a theory that conceptions of truth and moral values are not absolute but relative to the individual or groups holding them. The opposite of �relative� is �absolute�, which is defined as: something regarded as independent of and unrelated to anything else; something regarded as the ultimate basis of all thought and being.

Draygomb · 03-07-2002, 08:29 AM

My relative truth says absolute truth can be known.

Blu · 03-07-2002, 08:34 AM

Draygomb,

My relative truth says absolute truth can only be "known" by a God-Universe. Absolute truth is beyond all human logic and reasoning because the human mind is limited. If absolute truth can be known than that means all human beings will have the power to control the laws of physics... to make objects move... to move in and out of dimensions..... to become invisible... to become non-physical and physical at will.... Basically, this will never happen because human beings are governed by the scientific laws of the universe... Granted we can manipulate things but what we can manipulated is limited.

Possessing Absolute Truth means we will not possess any limitations. I say human beings will always have limits.

MassAtheist · 03-07-2002, 09:28 AM

My relative truth says there is no absolute truth. (Is that an absolute truth???)

For those that believe in absolute truth, please explain it to me. This area of my belief system is rather fuzzy at the moment. Perhaps I don't really understand what "absolute truth" means...

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Blu:
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If absolute truth can be known than that means all human beings will have the power to control the laws of physics...
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I don't follow this. Why does understanding of absolute truth grant the power to change what that truth is?

Draygomb · 03-07-2002, 09:31 AM

Blu

By your own admission you dont have any idea what absolute truth is, So how can you say it would give one the power to overcome physics?

Blu · 03-07-2002, 09:37 AM

Draygomb,

That is my definition of "Absolute truth." Your definition of this Absolute truth is something else as well which is a reflection of relative truth. You can, kind of, go in circles with this forever. It is interesting, isn't it?

Draygomb · 03-07-2002, 09:37 AM

MassAtheist

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My relative truth says there is no absolute truth. (Is that an absolute truth???)

It is, if it is true. Which ironically would prove the existence of absolute truthes.

So if anybody ever believes anything then the fact that that person believes that belief is an absolute truth. I believe that statement is true, therefore Absolute Truth exist.

Blu · 03-07-2002, 09:42 AM

MassAtheist,

The definition of absolute is written toward the very beginning of this discussion.

My point was that if a human mind knew what absolute truth is then he would not be limited. Absolute truth can be thought of as a "how to" book. Meaning that when you read this book there will no longer be limitations for a human mind.

Law of physics isn't what I mean by Absolute truth.

03-07-2002, 08:08 AM	#1
Blu Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In this Universe Posts: 199	Relative and Absolute Truths I believe there is relative truth and then there is Absolute Truth which people have yet to find. Absolute Truth is the secret to all life, existence etc. No one on earth has this knowledge. But we all have our relative truths. These are personal truths. These are perceptions, beliefs born from experience. Atheists have their relative truth and each person with each their own perception of religion have their own relative truth. No two relative truths can be the same down to its last detail because each person has their own perceptions, experiences, and way of looking at the world. Yet there are similarities because we all think using a human mind. Relative truths are like fingerprints; everyone has one and not one is the same as another. Atheist argue that their relative truth is the only truth. Christians argue that their relative truth is the only truth and so on and so forth. This I consider is a little sad. Everyone is so concerned with being "right," when everyone is essentially wrong because Absolute Truth is not relative truth and will never be known by a human mind. Everyone is right because everyone is following their relative truth and each one of us is on our own path. No one has the authority to say anyone is wrong regarding religion. This is my belief. I like to expand and discuss beliefs and sometimes I get caught up in discussions forgetting that like everyone, I do not know Absolute Truth either. LOL!

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03-07-2002, 08:25 AM	#3
Blu Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In this Universe Posts: 199	I thought I would include definitions of Relative and Absolute for your reading enjoyment: The word �relative� is derived from the word �relativism�, which is defined as: a theory that conceptions of truth and moral values are not absolute but relative to the individual or groups holding them. The opposite of �relative� is �absolute�, which is defined as: something regarded as independent of and unrelated to anything else; something regarded as the ultimate basis of all thought and being.

03-07-2002, 08:29 AM	#4
Draygomb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Harrisburg, Pa Posts: 3,251	My relative truth says absolute truth can be known.

03-07-2002, 08:34 AM	#5
Blu Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In this Universe Posts: 199	Draygomb, My relative truth says absolute truth can only be "known" by a God-Universe. Absolute truth is beyond all human logic and reasoning because the human mind is limited. If absolute truth can be known than that means all human beings will have the power to control the laws of physics... to make objects move... to move in and out of dimensions..... to become invisible... to become non-physical and physical at will.... Basically, this will never happen because human beings are governed by the scientific laws of the universe... Granted we can manipulate things but what we can manipulated is limited. Possessing Absolute Truth means we will not possess any limitations. I say human beings will always have limits.

03-07-2002, 09:31 AM	#7
Draygomb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Harrisburg, Pa Posts: 3,251	Blu By your own admission you dont have any idea what absolute truth is, So how can you say it would give one the power to overcome physics?

03-07-2002, 09:37 AM	#8
Blu Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In this Universe Posts: 199	Draygomb, That is my definition of "Absolute truth." Your definition of this Absolute truth is something else as well which is a reflection of relative truth. You can, kind of, go in circles with this forever. It is interesting, isn't it?

03-07-2002, 09:42 AM	#10
Blu Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In this Universe Posts: 199	MassAtheist, The definition of absolute is written toward the very beginning of this discussion. My point was that if a human mind knew what absolute truth is then he would not be limited. Absolute truth can be thought of as a "how to" book. Meaning that when you read this book there will no longer be limitations for a human mind. Law of physics isn't what I mean by Absolute truth.

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