Cthulhu

Remember the good old days when mindless little trolls like this had their asses booted to Rants, Raves , and Preachings where they belonged? Why can't we bring back those days? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

philechat

Yes, we all know blessed Magus55 is going to heaven and eagar to watch anyone who disagree with him burn in hell. Well, so do the hijackers in 911 for their blessed heaven. I seriously see no difference between them.

Well, God would certainly decide, wouldn't he? Perhaps blessed Magus55 deserves hell like all of us. Perhaps an all-just God wants to condemn him to hell. Who knows?

Fiach

Magus, I have seen this accusation thrown at us before. But think about it. How can we have what we do not think is real? I have never said that I hated God. I don't recall any other Atheists saying that.

We have fear, not fear of a God who doesn't exist. We have a genuine and warrented fear of the followers of the imaginary God. An imaginary think cannot hurt us, but a religious zealot can kill our families and us. Religious zealots can put us in prison (Iran). The have in the past beheaded us, burned us at the stake, tortured us on the rack to make us fake conversion. All of this is history. Of course we fear that.

Do we hate any of God's followers? Yes. I have no inhibition of hating evil men. I hate the God believers who killed 3000 people on 9 Sept. 2001. I hate the God believers of the Christian Army of God that has murdered many people in the American South.

If the Old Testament is correct in its history, then I hate the Israelite storm troopers who conquered Canaanite towns killing non-combattants (women, children, and babies, smashing babies against the stones.) I hate the Crusaders even though I am descended from one of them. They massacred all of the Jews in Jerusalem in the name of God.

If anything I almost feel that God, however imaginary, is given a bad rap by his evil followers. Poor God, he doesn't even exist and those homicidal maniacs who believe in him have created hideous attrocities and blamed them on God. Even Adolf Hitler said "I am doing God's work."

It is time to stop blaming God. His evil followers must take responsibility for their crimes against humanity.

Fiach

orac

You believe in God, santa claus, the easter bunny, and unicorns?

You must answer "yes" unless you can prove they don't exist.

(We know you believe in God, and require proof that he doesn't exist before you'll acknowlede atheisim as valid. Well, I require you to prove santa claus doesn't exist before I'll accept that you don't believe in santa. After all, if you can't prove he doesn't exist then he might exist, so you should believe in him, right?)

Yes, you could point out that this is very poor logic, if you wish. But that would require also admitting that atheists don't have to prove that God doesn't exist in order to not believe in him.

Until such time as you either prove that the easter bunny and santa claus don't exist, should we assume you believe in them?

CALDONIA

Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are more benevolent than God.

If you don't believe in Santa, you might not get any toys for Xmas, but he won't send you to Hell when you die.

The Tooth Fairy does not condemn you to an eternity of root canal work without novocaine if you die without belief in Her

Treacle Worshipper

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea to me Don't think it'd catch on on this side of the Atlantic tho'

Magus55:Prove they don't.
Prove that Santa, the Easter Bunny and unicorns don't exist?
I admit that a case could be made that Santa is based on St Nicholas, but I didn't think anyone really thought he (Santa) was real. I can't say about the EB, 'cos it's not a tradition where I come from. And the only people who're likely to defend the existence of unicorns are the followers of the IPU. Magus, I'm afraid you and the Unicornians are going to have to work together on this one.
TW

Fiach

Orac writes:

(We know you believe in God, and require proof that he doesn't exist before you'll acknowlede atheisim as valid. Well, I require you to prove santa claus doesn't exist before I'll accept that you don't believe in santa. After all, if you can't prove he doesn't exist then he might exist, so you should believe in him, right?)

Well said Orac. Some people have so little knowlege of the meanings of Greek derived words. Atheism only means an absence of belief in God, or not believing God. Atheism is not about proving God doesn't exist or the Easter Bunny, Mother Goose, or Nessie.

Atheism is the admission that we don''t believe. Disproving Atheism is irrational and ignorant. You can't disprove that I thnk a certain way about anything. We don't have technology well develped to prove that an Atheists is lying about not believing, or for that matter that a Christian is lying about believing.

I can offer many arguments against the Judeo-Christian God, but I can not prove that Magus is not a Christian; or that Orac is not an Atheist or Agnostic or whatever. Nobody here can prove that I am not an Atheist. Nobody can disprove the existence of Atheism, that some people don't believe.

Fiach

CALDONIA

"...in this world, God punishes the people he loves and in the next, the ones he hates..."

Robert G Ingersoll, "Ingersoll's Works"

Ganymede

Magus55 - you said:

Cau you give us some scripture that supports the notion that evil exists in the world because of mankinds Free Will?

Thanks.

Spaz

Perfection would mean no free will anyway.