ts2125

hi im in debate and next year i have to make a case solving for mental illness so im claiming religion to be a mental illness and my plan is gonna give huge federal grants to science to hasten the demise of religion, so what i need is help from someone with articles saying how science will eventually triumph over religion and how its days are numbered

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You've come to the right place young man/ woman! We here at the SecWeb have been working on a secret project that you mustn't tell anyone about. We have created a weapon based on neutrino microwave technology which helps to fire a tachyon pulse at the frontal cortex causing a plasma leak on cortex layers 3 through 6 and putting the ascending reticular activating system out of action for several weeks. WE call it a 'photon beam', but if anyone asks it is cunningly disguised as a 'flashlight'.

With this devilish device we will turn the world around and cause religion to die the death it so richly deserves <mwahahahahaha>. Roll on the revolution!

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In seriousness though I am not entirely sure what you have been asked to do? Have you been asked to debate 'solutions' for mental illness? A good start might be to find out what mental illness is- your post indicates you don't know.

ts2125

ok in debate you start off with a resolution. the resolution for next year says that the usfg needs to substantially increase services for public health care of mental illness. my case is claiming that religion is a mental illness. some mental illness cases being run next year have to deal with ppd, war vets syndrome, depression, eating disorders and other things. my plan says that the federal gov will fund sciencific research like crazy. what i need are whats called solvency evidence this meaning that my plan will be able to solve for this mental illness *religion* and so for my evidence i need stuff saying that science will eventually kill off religion so that my plan will solve for the mental illness of religion and this affirm the resolution by increasing public health care for mental illness. in my case i have these things called advantages which are bad things that stop happening once my case gets past and solves for religion. my advantages are andrea yates like things again b/c she was very biblically motivated in what she did, abortion bombings, discrimination, murder, and book burnings

Late_Cretaceous

Name 10 benificial, and 10 harmfull, things that science has brought to humanity.

Name 10 benificial, and 1o harmfull, things that religion has brought to humanity.

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Religious belief is not a mental illness, at least not by any psychiatric standard.

These people's reality testing is left wholly intact, there is no evidence of formal thought disorder.

If Andrea Yates were an atheist then she would have still become delusional, but the content of the delusions and the hallucinations would have probably been markedly different.

You are trying to solve a 'non problem', in that you have decided to label a belief system as being indicative of mental illness and then plan to eradicate that belief system.

Choose a proper mental illness to work on like schizophrenia, which is an enormously difficult clinical condition to manage.

ts2125

there is no real tangible psychiatric standard, its all abstract and wether or not religion is a mental illness will be half of the debate but i dont need help with that b/c i can already prove it is a mental illness to a sufficent degree in a debate round, i didnt come on here asking how to debate that, i came here looking for someone with articles saying how science will kill off religion

Francois Tremblay

Science will kill off religion if we engineer the human species without a god center, get rid of all the Bibles and start a round of social engineering. Besides that, tough luck buddy.

Corey Hammer

I thought I should post on this topic.

Ellis (the same man who developed Rational Emotive Therapy) has quite a bit to say in his more recent works (on religion) about how religion actually helps with mental health. I would suggest choosing another topic. The science does not support such a position.

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To an extent you are right, but again you are showing me that you don't know anything about mental health and illness.

Many psychiatric conditions are obviously qualitatively different from the 'norm'. To demonstrate this one only needs to meet someone who is schizophrenic or severely depressed. It isn't just a case of society deciding what it likes and does not like. A manic patient might empty her bank account and give all her money to poor people, a wonderfully benevolent act, but she is still not in control of her emotions. She is ill.

It is in the area of personality disorder that psychiatry becomes less of a qualitative classification system and more of a quantitative one.

If we assume that ALL psychiatry is about labelling those who deviate far enough from the 'norm' as being ill then you will have an easier time proving that the NON-religious are mentally ill.