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scigirl · 10-04-2002, 01:59 PM

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The whole of creation that is visible fits in very nicely with the biblical nature of God.

Oh reaaaaaaaaally!

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Especially the parts of nature that have been subsequently discovered since the bible was written.

Yep, it was Moses that predicted genes, wasn't it! OH WAIT that was Darwin. I'm mixing up my lesser Gods today!

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Of course the universe is a waste of space to you because you have an anthropocentric view and have ignored Gods purposes.

Actually it's NOT a waste of space to me. The universe will be a great place to throw all the creationist literature in, after they get a clue!

God's purpose? Well I didn't get that memo. I was too busy at the atheist conspiracy meaning.

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This world is not a perfect world, it is sullied by sin.God is quite capable of forming a perfect material world, and he one day will.

And if Pat Roberson is there, I'm not going!

scigirl

sciteach · 10-04-2002, 02:03 PM

We dont live in a perfect world because none of us are perfect humans. Will the perfect human being please reply and tell me why he/she deserves to live in a perfect world??
Another thing, scigirl, could you please review the evidence for me that the natural world is becoming more perfected over time? I am not talking about man's ability to curtail nature.

Ab_Normal · 10-04-2002, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by sciteach:
Since when did an organism's lack of design optimalization militate against a designer????

Lack of optimization would seem to indicate a designer that lacked skill and/or experience. At least, that's what I think when I read badly designed computer code.

edited to correct Friday afternoon braindead grammar

[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: Ab_Normal ]

scigirl · 10-04-2002, 02:05 PM

Ok SciTeach, two things:

1) Maybe god will give you your utopia later, but until then. . . I bet you still go to the doctor when you are sick, yes? Doctors rely on scientific explanations, which a priori do not include the supernatural. And for that, you should be thankful, since medicine has been a very successful endeavor (I''m currently in medical school in case you didn't know).

2) How about lending us your astute thoughts to this thread I just started <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001492" target="_blank">here.</a> Specifically, how does a literal reading of genesis explain the pattern of L1 retrotransposons in modern-day primates?

Thanks for your insight in advance,

scigirl

scigirl · 10-04-2002, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by sciteach:
Another thing, scigirl, could you please review the evidence for me that the natural world is becoming more perfected over time? I am not talking about man's ability to curtail nature.

I never said it was.

Here's a thought experiment for you, sciteach, while you are carefully contemplating the LINE question I previously asked you.

If you were to design a perfect immune system in today's germy world, what would it entail? Please describe this to me. Thanks again in advance - o teacher my teacher, please educate me!

scigirl

sciteach · 10-04-2002, 02:10 PM

Its very cute and smug of you scigirl, and I am very impressed by your wit an'all, I just hope the atheists aren't being treated like that on the Christian websites, because boy, we will really here all about it then!!
Here's a bible passage that seems to be prescient in regards to particle physics and Im sure Max Planck would agree:
"The things which are seen are made of things which do not appear" (2 Cor 4:18)
BOY WHAT A PREDICTION THAT GOES AGAINST ALL OF YOUR IMPRESSIVE COMMON SENSE!!

sciteach · 10-04-2002, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by scigirl:

I never said it was.

scigirl

You dont have to say it was, its plainly obvious to any numbskull that the increasing complexity of this randomly mutating universe is perfecting an environment for intelligent beings to thrive. So we should be getting more intelligent and diseases should be gradually waning, no??

Coragyps · 10-04-2002, 02:21 PM

Sciteach - out-of-the-closet atheists typically get banned from your standard christian board as soon as they post anything substantive. You won't get banned here. Please post something substantive, though.

Mageth · 10-04-2002, 02:22 PM

All an evolutionist needs to do to believe in God/ID is to step outside and take a look around!!

Only works if you're wearing Jesus Goggles.

Ab_Normal · 10-04-2002, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by sciteach:
You dont have to say it was, its plainly obvious to any numbskull that the increasing complexity of this randomly mutating universe is perfecting an environment for intelligent beings to thrive. So we should be getting more intelligent and diseases should be gradually waning, no??

Guess I'm dumber than a numbskull because I don't get this.

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10-04-2002, 02:03 PM	#22
sciteach Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36	We dont live in a perfect world because none of us are perfect humans. Will the perfect human being please reply and tell me why he/she deserves to live in a perfect world?? Another thing, scigirl, could you please review the evidence for me that the natural world is becoming more perfected over time? I am not talking about man's ability to curtail nature.

10-04-2002, 02:05 PM	#24
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	Ok SciTeach, two things: 1) Maybe god will give you your utopia later, but until then. . . I bet you still go to the doctor when you are sick, yes? Doctors rely on scientific explanations, which a priori do not include the supernatural. And for that, you should be thankful, since medicine has been a very successful endeavor (I''m currently in medical school in case you didn't know). 2) How about lending us your astute thoughts to this thread I just started <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001492" target="_blank">here.</a> Specifically, how does a literal reading of genesis explain the pattern of L1 retrotransposons in modern-day primates? Thanks for your insight in advance, scigirl

10-04-2002, 02:10 PM	#26
sciteach Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36	Its very cute and smug of you scigirl, and I am very impressed by your wit an'all, I just hope the atheists aren't being treated like that on the Christian websites, because boy, we will really here all about it then!! Here's a bible passage that seems to be prescient in regards to particle physics and Im sure Max Planck would agree: "The things which are seen are made of things which do not appear" (2 Cor 4:18) BOY WHAT A PREDICTION THAT GOES AGAINST ALL OF YOUR IMPRESSIVE COMMON SENSE!!

10-04-2002, 02:21 PM	#28
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	Sciteach - out-of-the-closet atheists typically get banned from your standard christian board as soon as they post anything substantive. You won't get banned here. Please post something substantive, though.

10-04-2002, 02:22 PM	#29
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	All an evolutionist needs to do to believe in God/ID is to step outside and take a look around!! Only works if you're wearing Jesus Goggles.

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