GeoTheo

I just wanted to point out that there is hope for creationists who think the subject is open to debate. I have recently become aware that many creationists do not believe it is open to debate and actually think that if they actually pause to consider the matter they have already sinned. I doubt anyone who thinks like that would come here.
just a thought.

Bubba

I agree. Actually, I'm hoping that a few people on the Christian Forums will see the light also.

All evolution really needs is for someone to walk into a library and look at the evidence.

Chris

echidna

The <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/home.html" target="_blank">Superlibrary</a> !!!

Valentine Pontifex

Well if you ever convince them or give up trying to, there are lots of other forums out there as well.

You can find quite a few at <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#discussion" target="_blank">listed by The Talk.Origins Archive</a>.

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sciteach

All an evolutionist needs to do to believe in God/ID is to step outside and take a look around!!

sciteach

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GeoTheo:
[QB]I just wanted to point out that there is hope for creationists who think the subject is open to debate.

Yes, we dont mind debating,except that there is really not much room for interaction. The way I see it is that evolutionists start from an anti-supernatural presupposition and then skew allthe data to fit that model, whereas I think most deists would look at the data first--the natural world, my children, the cosmos etc.. and then posit the existence of some super-intelligent designer. Why else are you so threatened by ID when it is supported by some exceedingly solid science?

Xixax

Why? Did God finally decide to show up today and make himself known?

If you're referring to the world around us, science explains it well enough, there isn't a deity required.

Really, intelligence is ruled out anyway ( shoddy workmanship and design ). So if there is a God involved, he should have practiced ( then again, maybe that's what we are, and the perfect creation is somewhere else? )

GeoTheo

Name somthing you see from "looking around" that cannot be satisfactorally explained naturally.
Then explain why God would be unable to act through natural means and so must resort to supernatural ones. Then you will have made your case.

scigirl

Scigirl steps outside and looks around.
She sees a globe in someone's window. "Wow," scigirl ponders. "Wow this God must love fish more than humans, since the earth itself is 3/4ths water!"

She then sees a telescope, looks through it. "Hmmm," she says, "a huge enormous galaxy, and yet some people believe that a god I'll call 'God' made all the universe just for us, and cares whether we all worship Him or not? Just doesn't seem logical! I think God loves empty space WAY more than he loves me!!"

She then wanders over to the local hospital where people are suffering from a myriad of diseases, including nasty parasitic infections, a patient suffering from cystic fibrosis, a patient with lower back pain, and a patient who just had her appendix removed. "Hmmm," Scigirl thinks, "Yep the world is full of beautiful and wonderous creatures, just like the Bible says."

She then passes by a TV, where they are showing the latest bombing in Isreal and Palestine. The alleged Holy Lands, and still in turmoil since they day God blessed them.

Out of the corner of her eye she sees a native american patient waiting to see the doctor. "Hmm, that reminds me - a population of people that God just forgot about - He wanted us to worship his Son, but frankly forgot to send him over there! What a great God he is. I wonder if this gentlemen's ancestors are in Hell for being born in the wrong time?"


Ok I looked around, still an atheist (at least to the Christian God).

scigirl

GeoTheo

I don't agree it shows shoddy workmanship, just shows historical contraint. Once one engages in a course of action he is constrained by that.
That is the part you atheistic evolutionists don't get. That is the one part creationists do get. The Universe is not shoddy and does show intelligence.