Magus55

When did I ever say we should sit around and not do anything? Yes, trying to make things better is what we should be doing. My point is, the world is so corrupt, that alot of change probably won't happen. Unless you seriously think we will stop violence, war, disease, hunger etc.

Magus55

How is selfishness a good thing? A good thing like pornography, premiscuous sex, adultery, abortion, etc., all of which the world accepts and tolerates (for the most part)?





And what do you need more expensive toys for? There isn't something else more beneficial to humanity you could find to do with that extra money?

It is still "worse". Guns were the most destructive invention ever created in the long run. They are more easily accessible, and people are more prone to use them. I live near two of the highest crime rate cities in the world. On the news, its always another shooting, or murder with guns every day. Modern weapons make war more deadly too. Can't kill as many people with spears and swords as you can with bombers, machine guns, tanks, rifles etc. And you can't get much more destructive than the hydrogen bomb.

And do you expect the world to ever achieve completele and total peace? Of course not, because its impossible for humans alone to do it. Yet, in the Christians world, Jesus will rule over the Earth for 1000 years of complete and total peace.



True, but He does so because the world has to pay the price for their crimes and sins. Can't really punish people by just throwing them in paradise. The world must suffer the consequences for disobeying God, and it won't be pretty at all. But, after the world is judged, God destroys it with fire, and recreates it into the Paradise it was meant to be, with no violence, war, hate, etc. for the rest of eternity. And the only people that will be facing God's wrath and judgement, are those who ignored and rejected Him. If you weren't so adamant about the impossibility of God's existence and truth, you wouldn't have to worry about Judgement either.


There isn't anything we can do about it, because as I said, peace will never exist in an atheistic world, it is our fault, whether God exists or not , and God isn't causing Armageddon to make you behave, hes causing Armageddon to judge the sinning and corrupt world. And as I said, you don't have to face Armageddon - its your choice.



God made the world perfect, humanity destroyed it.

Tyre

right, which would explain why the world is no better for the medical cures that are a part of science or for ALL the wonders that allow for me to have this discussion with you. I mean hasnt science raised the ' standard of living '? I'm sorry but i cant remember god every doing mass healings, or raising the standard of living or allowing communacation by millions of people across vass spaces...

Magus55

Yup, and for every disease that we cure, or treat, another pops up. Billions and billions of dollars go to the cancer foundation, yet i recently heard that they aren't any closer to finding a cure.

Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
How is selfishness a good thing? A good thing like pornography, premiscuous sex, adultery, abortion, etc., all of which the world accepts and tolerates (for the most part)?

I have absolutely no idea how you jumped from my comment that "sometimes a little selfishness is the right thing" to "pornography, premiscuous [sic] sex, adultery, abortion, etc."

Your apparent equating of "a little selfishness" with those things make it clear why too much religion can be a bad thing. Only the bible-blinded could make such a leap.

And what do you need more expensive toys for? There isn't something else more beneficial to humanity you could find to do with that extra money?

Apparently bible blindness makes you slow to recognize humor, too.

It is still "worse". Guns were the most destructive invention ever created in the long run. They are more easily accessible, and people are more prone to use them. I live near two of the highest crime rate cities in the world. On the news, its always another shooting, or murder with guns every day. Modern weapons make war more deadly too. Can't kill as many people with spears and swords as you can with bombers, machine guns, tanks, rifles etc. And you can't get much more destructive than the hydrogen bomb.

You miss the point - violence is (generally) wrong (in both our world views) no matter what the weapon. The choice of weapon doesn't make it more wrong. It's no worse from my perspective if a loved one was killed by a rock-wielding maniac or an H-bomb. It's not the number of people killed, or how efficiently they are killed; it's the fact that they are killed. Will your God punish someone more for killing 13 people with a machine gun than he would someone who killed 13 people with a spear?

And do you expect the world to ever achieve completele and total peace? Of course not, because its impossible for humans alone to do it.

Not as long as so many of us cling to these ancient, exclusive, too-often-violent religions, like the three "great" Abrahamic religions, anyway. We might stand a chance if we could leave them behind.

Yet, in the Christians world, Jesus will rule over the Earth for 1000 years of complete and total peace.

Like I said, and you agreed to, after he conquors it with the sword. Jesus doesn't seem to think violence is so bad.

True, but He does so because the world has to pay the price for their crimes and sins. Can't really punish people by just throwing them in paradise.

No, Jesus prefers kicking a lttle heathen ass, apparently. So much for the god of love and peace.

The world must suffer the consequences for disobeying God, and it won't be pretty at all.

And this from the guy who claims he has a better outlook on life than I do.

But, after the world is judged, God destroys it with fire, and recreates it into the Paradise it was meant to be, with no violence, war, hate, etc. for the rest of eternity.

Well, yeah; after seeing what god did to the last group of people that dared not obey, everyone will be too fucking scared to sneeze.

And the only people that will be facing God's wrath and judgement, are those who ignored and rejected Him.

Actually, it's worse than that; I despise the sword-wielding war-god you describe.

If you weren't so adamant about the impossibility of God's existence and truth, you wouldn't have to worry about Judgement either.

Magus: get a clue. I'm not worried about judgment.

There isn't anything we can do about it, because as I said, peace will never exist in an atheistic world, it is our fault, whether God exists or not ,

There hasn't been an atheistic world, and as long as so many serve their respective war-gods, there sure as hell ain't gonna be peace in this theistic world.

and God isn't causing Armageddon to make you behave, hes causing Armageddon to judge the sinning and corrupt world. And as I said, you don't have to face Armageddon - its your choice.

Such a cheerful sort you are. Shape up or face the sword! What a better outlook on life you have.

BTW, this sounds an awful lot like the Islamic Jihad you're fond of pointing out as a flaw in Islam, and claim has no parallel in Christianity. In fact, it's just like it.

God made the world perfect, humanity destroyed it.

Now, explain to me how a perfect world could include a flaw that would allow humans to destroy it.

Daggah

Science has been making our lives better for centuries. What evidence do you have that this trend will stop?

Daggah

So what would you have us do? Stop trying to cure/treat diseases? All that will do is leave the old diseases around to kill us while new diseases kill us. That only means more people die.

So we should just stop trying, is that it?

winstonjen

You do know that Christians, AND Messianic Jews, are the majority of people in first world countries, don't you?

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Magus55
Fortunately, God will bring peace to the world.

This would be the same god who said, "I come not to bring peace but a sword"?

Can't blame that god for wanting to be more like me, though.

So i guess you could say I have a better outlook on life,

So I guess you could recommend to that sword-bringing god that he adopt your better outlook on life pronto.

only i untrust the world getting better through God, instead of humans who ruined it in the first place.

Humans wouldn't have eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge if God hadn't created it and created Satan as well, so he's the one who ruined it.

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Magus55
Billions and billions of dollars go to the cancer foundation, yet i recently heard that they aren't any closer to finding a cure.

One word : chemotherapy.