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Biff the unclean · 03-10-2003, 02:15 PM

I don't see Mary mentioned anywhere in that verse do you?

You guys were all Catholics until the sixteen century. Then YOU changed the rules of the game, not the Catholics. Laymen couldn't even own bibles before that, it was forbidden (The first guy who translated it into English paid with his life for his trouble).
At least have the decency to admit that you changed the rules you had about the bible, Mary, Purgatory, Limbo, et al and that you edited big chunks out of the bible from your original Catholic position. And stop pretending that it's the Catholic's who changed from you. Unless Luther and Martyr knew each other your boasts are hollow.

And none of this nonsense is anything more than a fairytale anyway. There is no Mary ever Virgin, but there is no Jesus the Christ either.

Magus55 · 03-10-2003, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
I don't see Mary mentioned anywhere in that verse do you?

You guys were all Catholics until the sixteen century. Then YOU changed the rules of the game, not the Catholics. Laymen couldn't even own bibles before that, it was forbidden (The first guy who translated it into English paid with his life for his trouble).
At least have the decency to admit that you changed the rules you had about the bible, Mary, Purgatory, Limbo, et al and that you edited big chunks out of the bible from your original Catholic position. And stop pretending that it's the Catholic's who changed from you. Unless Luther and Martyr knew each other your boasts are hollow.

And none of this nonsense is anything more than a fairytale anyway. There is no Mary ever Virgin, but there is no Jesus the Christ either.

Um no the Catholic church changed it since none of the crap the Catholic church talks about (i.e puragtory, Mary being so important etc) is even in the Bible - and i mean the original hebrew/greek version. The Vatican council and the Pope made all that up and instead of Catholics reading the Bible and learning for themselves, they just accepted what the Pope said to be true.

And yes Jesus did exist. Whether he was God or not is another issue, but Jesus Christ the person, leader, historical figure did in fact walk the earth 2000 years ago.

03-10-2003, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
And yes Jesus did exist. .

Did you know that Catholics wrote the New Testament (spit it out), and that they wrote it about 300 years after Jesus is supposed to have existed. Do you think that is long enough for everybody to forget the what, where, who, how and why's of the story? or do you think it took 300 years for them to remember?

hezekiah jones · 03-10-2003, 05:15 PM

"Does praying to Mary make you rich or famous?"

"Does praying to Jesus make you rich or famous?"

"Scotland is a dark land
overrun by homosexuals."

Spaz · 03-10-2003, 05:23 PM

lmao hezekiah, and that quote is great

Magus55 · 03-10-2003, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Amos
Did you know that Catholics wrote the New Testament (spit it out), and that they wrote it about 300 years after Jesus is supposed to have existed. Do you think that is long enough for everybody to forget the what, where, who, how and why's of the story? or do you think it took 300 years for them to remember?

Actually no, did you know the New Testament was written by the people of the time except maybe a few? Most were written at the time they happened. The gospels did, Revelation did etc.

And Amos, i showed some of your quotes about Mary to some other Catholics and they even consider your views cultic. You deny Jesus as even being God. You can't even really be called Catholic.

Radorth · 03-10-2003, 06:06 PM

Nobody is "complaining about Mary." Protestants simply make her no more or less than she was, an innocent, willing soul would have done anything she could for God, whom God chose to bear his son in the flesh. She was particularly blessed and worthy of particular mention.

What we are "complaining" about is surepticiously declaring 500 years later that she is "Queen of heaven" making 100 times more statues than Paul, turning her into an eternal virgin when we have three references to Jesus' brothers and sisters, making her own mother a virgin 1800 years later, (as I recall), not one single mention of her in any letter of Peter, Paul, James or any other letter in the NT, and basically removing any point of reference except what the Pope says is so.

Criminy.

Rad

Magus55 · 03-10-2003, 06:08 PM

Don't forget to add putting Mary as the mediator between us and Jesus Rad.

Catholics put her close to the authority and holiness of Jesus ( or in Amos' case, puts her above him

).

Demigawd · 03-10-2003, 06:29 PM

LMFAO! My money's on Magus55, *if* he can remain non-plussed by Amos' world-class mysticism. He's got that fundie-fire in his belly for sure.

Of course, Radorth has that Black-Knight-from-Monty-Python-And-The-Holy-Grail tenacity, so he may yet be the upset victor in this Duel of Dogma.

Biff the unclean · 03-10-2003, 06:44 PM

There aren't any cpoies of the bible that date from before the Catholic Church (fourth century), except maybe a flake or two about the size of your thumb.
The Catholics say that, except for those nasty heritics gnostics and that lot that there were only good catholics back to Jesus (who left no evidence behind that he was even here so forget the boast that he was an actual person--there's no way you could know that)

There aren't any copies of the Protestant bible that date before the sixteenth century.
4 th Century....16 th Century. Get it. The changes come from the Protestants. Never mind your hebrew (no NT was originally written in Hebrew. They are in poor Greek) or your Greek or whatever. The 300's CE come before the 1500's CE there is no way to cook those numbers. It's well over a thousand years difference.:banghead:

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03-10-2003, 02:15 PM	#121
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	I don't see Mary mentioned anywhere in that verse do you? You guys were all Catholics until the sixteen century. Then YOU changed the rules of the game, not the Catholics. Laymen couldn't even own bibles before that, it was forbidden (The first guy who translated it into English paid with his life for his trouble). At least have the decency to admit that you changed the rules you had about the bible, Mary, Purgatory, Limbo, et al and that you edited big chunks out of the bible from your original Catholic position. And stop pretending that it's the Catholic's who changed from you. Unless Luther and Martyr knew each other your boasts are hollow. And none of this nonsense is anything more than a fairytale anyway. There is no Mary ever Virgin, but there is no Jesus the Christ either.

03-10-2003, 05:23 PM	#125
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	lmao hezekiah, and that quote is great

03-10-2003, 06:06 PM	#127
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Nobody is "complaining about Mary." Protestants simply make her no more or less than she was, an innocent, willing soul would have done anything she could for God, whom God chose to bear his son in the flesh. She was particularly blessed and worthy of particular mention. What we are "complaining" about is surepticiously declaring 500 years later that she is "Queen of heaven" making 100 times more statues than Paul, turning her into an eternal virgin when we have three references to Jesus' brothers and sisters, making her own mother a virgin 1800 years later, (as I recall), not one single mention of her in any letter of Peter, Paul, James or any other letter in the NT, and basically removing any point of reference except what the Pope says is so. Criminy. Rad

03-10-2003, 06:08 PM	#128
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	Don't forget to add putting Mary as the mediator between us and Jesus Rad. Catholics put her close to the authority and holiness of Jesus ( or in Amos' case, puts her above him ).

03-10-2003, 06:29 PM	#129
Demigawd Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place Posts: 2,254	LMFAO! My money's on Magus55, if he can remain non-plussed by Amos' world-class mysticism. He's got that fundie-fire in his belly for sure. Of course, Radorth has that Black-Knight-from-Monty-Python-And-The-Holy-Grail tenacity, so he may yet be the upset victor in this Duel of Dogma.

03-10-2003, 06:44 PM	#130
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	There aren't any cpoies of the bible that date from before the Catholic Church (fourth century), except maybe a flake or two about the size of your thumb. The Catholics say that, except for those nasty heritics gnostics and that lot that there were only good catholics back to Jesus (who left no evidence behind that he was even here so forget the boast that he was an actual person--there's no way you could know that) There aren't any copies of the Protestant bible that date before the sixteenth century. 4 th Century....16 th Century. Get it. The changes come from the Protestants. Never mind your hebrew (no NT was originally written in Hebrew. They are in poor Greek) or your Greek or whatever. The 300's CE come before the 1500's CE there is no way to cook those numbers. It's well over a thousand years difference.:banghead:

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