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Old 08-01-2003, 01:17 PM   #101
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I think Galileo is the classic example. I'm sure you've heard of him?
Oh man, how about Bruno?

p.s. what if scientists adopted iconography similar to theists? I can picture a bas-relief of Bruno burning at the stake while pious priests look on hungrily. A halo of atoms above Bruno's head, and a double helix draped around his neck.
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Magus,

First of all, where did this statement come from?

It has nothing to do with my post. This discussion isn't about how ppl worshipped 2000 yrs ago.


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It had everything to do with your post. You stated Christians should be spending money on education instead of churches and tithing, and I state, I agree - spending millions of dollars on a church is absurd, when people during Jesus' time worshipped in their small homes. You don't need some huge, expensive building to worship in.
Thank you for agreeing and reiterating about how christians worshipped 2000 years ago. I'm better informed.

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Originally posted by Magus55
It had everything to do with your post. You stated Christians should be spending money on education instead of churches and tithing, and I state, I agree - spending millions of dollars on a church is absurd, when people during Jesus' time worshipped in their small homes. You don't need some huge, expensive building to worship in.

Umm, people during Jesus' time worshipped at the Temple, undoubtedly a huge, expensive building. Jesus himself went to the Temple, apparently, to teach and, I assume, pay his homage to pappa. He seemed rather pissed at those disrespecting it, I recall. And I think his Daddy and he approved of the Temple, didn't think it was absurd to go there and worship, and apparently think the Temple should (and will) be rebuilt some day.
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Old 08-01-2003, 04:35 PM   #104
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"Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Classic case of reading out of context again. If you would have read all of Luke 19, you would have seen this:


Luk 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
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This isn't really related to the OP but Magus55, how are you able to cherry-pick from the bible in good conscience? You mentioned earlier that your brand of god-product was superior to catholicism, is it for this reason? You are giving the impression that your brand of god-product allows you accept verses that you agree with and discard those that you don't. Are you are a biblical literalist as you claim, or are you being less than honest again?
Um, I'm not a cherry picker. I accept the entire Bible. I don't accept the doctrines of Catholicism, because they aren't in the Bible, at all. In fact, the bible directly opposes most of them. The majority of Catholic doctrine was created by the Vatican Magisterium, who claim to be the only ones able to read and interpret scripture. And I know exactly why they say that. They have to make people believe that only the Vatican can interpret scripture, because when we actually read the Bible for ourselves, we see none of the Catholic junk is in there.
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Old 08-01-2003, 05:02 PM   #106
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Nope, because we were told to use the Bible to search out any false doctrines and claims. If it isn't in the Bible, its false.
So the squiggly lines that a toddler added to his bible when he was doodling are accurate? Cool! Never knew that! Magus, CATHOLICS decided what to put in the bible.
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Magus, you must look up and read the apocryphal texts, such as the Gospel of Thomas. The hated Catholic Church, after all, decided to exclude them from the Canon.
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What do you think drives these otherwise rational men you spoke of to be irrational only when it comes to God?
An irrational desire to have something they know they can't have: absolute certainty.
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Old 08-01-2003, 11:08 PM   #109
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factfinder,

How about answering some Infidel questions?

I for one would like to know what purpose christianity has for you personally.

I'd also like to know if you see christianity as adding anything positive to the human future. If so, what and how?

You also asked someone to state where their morality comes from if not from [a] god. I can state emphatically that my morality comes from the same place your god comes from. If you find that answer inadequate or unacceptable, please explain. If you do not address it, I will take your silence as acceptance.

Also, there is a "quote" function that separates quoted material from your replies. Your using that function would be a great help to me personally. If you click on the quote button on any post, a response box will come up and the referenced text will be automatically separated. You'll see the bracket word "quote" and "/quote" around the selected text. If I try to show you how that's done in a post it will only look like thisand that's not much help, so try using the quote button.

I would appreciate some answers as I am curious about christianity myself, though only academically. To be honest, I see christianity simply as a crucifixion cult within paganism.

I will have some follow-up questions if you cared to respond, but that's it for now.
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Old 08-02-2003, 06:31 AM   #110
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Magus55, Mageth, et al:

This thread is not about catholicism, or how people worshiped in the past. Let's not derail this thread any further.
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