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Radorth · 02-17-2003, 09:51 PM

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No thanks. I`m not the type who likes to brag or talk much about myself.

Or back up your statements apparently. I offered not to respond if you did. I have only mentioned mine rarely because somebody made some cynical remark about Christians not using their minds, or not caring about suffering, though I was loathe to do so. Go look for yourself.

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And if I did mention some accomplishments it would just turn into a pissing contest

Oh do spare me the holy talk. I offered not to say anything for that very reason, but I don't suppose the thought occurred to you. You missed a golden opportunity either way.

Actually Fenton, you started the pissing contest, as you INVARIABLY do by making your by now infamous cynical assertions, and I will stop the minute you do. I can't hold up a mirror if there is nothing to see in it.

I see no reason for you to refuse my peace offering other than you would not get engage in these contests with me, but I'm sure you'll think of something.

Rad

Radorth · 02-17-2003, 10:03 PM

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I find it interesting that the very people who were there, the Jews never bought this psychotic myth. I took European barbarians to actually buy this terrible myth.

It is so obvious that it is a myth, if one looks at the previous myths of virgin born god-men who died and resurrected, Mithra, Osiris, Aten, Horus, Apollonius, even Lugh and several others that I can't recall now. It is obvious that the Jesus myth was plagiarised from Mithra and others. Mithra was visited by three magi bearing gifts (Magi are Zoroastrian priests). Why would a Zoroastrian priest want to visit a Palestinian child said to be a furture King of Israel. Mithra and Aten were in stable attended by shepherds. All of them had 5 or 12 apostles. All of them were killed and resurrected in three days. Jesus is obviously a plagiarised myth.

It may have a nidus in the Talmud in which they document a Jesus Ben Pandira, son of Mary Madgalene, who was a sorceror, trained in Egypt, who lived in Palestine during the reign of King Alexander Jannaeus putting it 100-150 years BC. That Jesus was tried for sorcery, convicted, and stoned to death, then hung on a tree for others to see.

I suspect that Jesus ben Pandira was the name and person who still had a cult following in Judea in 1 AD. Later on this Jewish sect had conflict with Saul/Paul who was chased out of town to exile for 14 years in Tarsus, a port city mostly Mithraistic with other eastern mystery cult. Paul was influenced by the Mithraic 7 sacraments, saving grace, being born again, baptism by water, and redemption of the human race. Put it all together with Jesus Ben Pandira in a mosaic. Paul did it. He created Jesus the messiah-god man. Jesus Christ was not an official name until the council of Nicaea in 324 AD.

Jesus was a fictional character. He not only never walked on water, he never walked on land. There is no verifiable evidence of his existence. All narratives are either later apologists or secular historians reporting that followers of Christos existed and what (the Christians) believed about him.

Must be the latest JM'er theory. Last week Paul was James, a female who wrote Luke. That was "obvious" too I suppose.

Well I count 23 gratuitous assertions strung together with no percievable breaks.

It's an II record!!!!!

Rad

winstonjen · 02-17-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth
The story is an allegorical revelation. He is not "covering up" their sins or their nudity. God doesn't "cover up" sins unless and until we confess them. He is providing a temporal covering for them because he loves them.

Ah, so your god supports the covering up of priestly pedophillia.

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"Nothing is unclean of itself."

So is rape OK? See "The Serious Problems of Atheism as a Worldview" for ways in which the bible justifies and excuses rape.

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Well of course, they never agreed to stop eating of the tree of knowledge of good an evil, nor have you, obviously. You'd need three Zen courses and major heart surgery to get my drift here. Anyway, that's what he did, finally, completely and perfectly, through Christ, the "second Adam." What did you think he was doing up there?

Perfectly my ass. Why did there have to be a sacrifice? I do not demand a sacrifice of blood each time someone knowingly wrongs me. Why can't your god be any different? Why can't he just say that we're forgiven? Could it be that we're right about him being a selfish, petty and jealous god?

Wasn't the second Adam Abel? After all, Jesus is meant to be holy and sinless, unlike Adam.

And you still haven't stopped the condescension that borders on flaming. I do not think I am flaming you - I try to attack your arguments as much as possible, and I try my utmost to avoid attacking you.

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Oh that's right. "Feeding his ego."

Rad

Well, I don't see any real point to the goat/dove/animal sacrifices in the bible, supposedly meant to 'cleanse' sin. Wouldn't it be better if they just stopped 'sinning', rather than having to sacrifice inncocent animals? It's sadism. And of course, the sacrifice of Jesus being god's ultimate ego-trip.

BobW · 02-17-2003, 11:12 PM

I hesitated before posting this but what the hell! I'm new here and I have read this thread from the beginning. As I read, an idea popped into my head that I can't get rid of. What if Radorth is really an atheist posing as a theist here to rabble rouse and score points. If true, he wouldn't be able to walk away from the keyboard due to the weight of all the coup he has counted. I can't pinpoint anything that gave me this impression, except it is probably more to do with what he hasn't said then what he has. Please don't take offense, Radorth. This is not a personal attack (I've no reason to) just a thought. If I'm right though, it has truly been a bravura performance. Afterthought (does that last work out to a compliment if I'm wrong?) I'll leave it to the others on this thread to evaluate the probabilities of this idea. A few comments before I go. I've enjoyed this thread overall but I've heard it said that people only resort to slandering each other when their arguments are weak. Also the bicycle frames discussion was way off topic.

hezekiah jones · 02-18-2003, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by BobW
Also the bicycle frames discussion was way off topic.

That's because Radorth is a derailleur.

Yellum Notnef · 02-18-2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones
Originally posted by BobW
Also the bicycle frames discussion was way off topic.

That's because Radorth is a derailleur.

LOL!

BobW,
It was off topic,but this happens almost everytime Radorth is involved.
I know it might be hard to believe,but you`ll see what I mean if you go through the 1400+ posts.

I should have quit before I got to the point of trying to analyze his behaviour,but the guy is like a black hole and it`s really easy to get yourself sucked in. Again,read his 1400+ posts and you`ll see what I mean.

Btw,
Make sure you have your pills next to the computer if you have a heart condition.

Dr Rick · 02-18-2003, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by spurly
[Jesus's death] was necessary because God is not only a God of love, but he is also a God of justice. From the beginning, the penalty for sin was death. God's justice required that the penalty of death be paid for our sin...

Spurly, your explanation seems to contradict the Bible and what Jesus said; Jesus could forgive sin as recounted in Luke 5 and Mark 2 without any penalty or anyone dying.

5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."

10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins . . .

Rick

spurly · 02-18-2003, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
Spurly, your explanation seems to contradict the Bible and what Jesus said; Jesus could forgive sin as recounted in Luke 5 and Mark 2 without any penalty or anyone dying.

5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."

10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins . . .

Rick

Rick, the quotes you mentioned are true. The Son of Man did have authority on earth to forgive sins, but he had that authority because he knew that he was soon going to be taking all those sins on himself when he died on the cross.

As a matter of fact, not only those sins, but all the sins of all time were IMHO only absolutely forgiven in the death of Christ. The OT sacrificial system was a type and foreshadow of the ultimate forgiveness to come in Christ.

Kevin

Radorth · 02-18-2003, 07:25 AM

Agreed.

Rad

Radorth · 02-18-2003, 07:31 AM

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It was off topic,but this happens almost everytime Radorth is involved.

No it's when you or Daggah is involved dredging up ancient history, like bike frames and evolution, because you have hairs stuck in your butts.

YOU took us off topic Fenton. You are being completely disingenuous. In fact you and Daggah had no intention of discussing the topic, did you?

Man you are hearing voices and they only have one thing to say:

"It's all Rad's fault, and you had nothing to do with it."

Rad

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02-17-2003, 11:12 PM	#214
BobW New Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 4	I hesitated before posting this but what the hell! I'm new here and I have read this thread from the beginning. As I read, an idea popped into my head that I can't get rid of. What if Radorth is really an atheist posing as a theist here to rabble rouse and score points. If true, he wouldn't be able to walk away from the keyboard due to the weight of all the coup he has counted. I can't pinpoint anything that gave me this impression, except it is probably more to do with what he hasn't said then what he has. Please don't take offense, Radorth. This is not a personal attack (I've no reason to) just a thought. If I'm right though, it has truly been a bravura performance. Afterthought (does that last work out to a compliment if I'm wrong?) I'll leave it to the others on this thread to evaluate the probabilities of this idea. A few comments before I go. I've enjoyed this thread overall but I've heard it said that people only resort to slandering each other when their arguments are weak. Also the bicycle frames discussion was way off topic.

02-18-2003, 04:33 AM	#215
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by BobW Also the bicycle frames discussion was way off topic. That's because Radorth is a derailleur.

02-18-2003, 07:25 AM	#219
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Agreed. Rad

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