hinduwoman

If a Christian fundy tells you that Jesus died for you, then I think a good response is
"Who told Jesus to die for me? I never did. He took the job on himself and if he expects me to be grateful he is out of luck".

beyelzu

I personally asked jesus to not die for me, and cuz hes such a nice guy when he was hanging on that damn cross he actually said, "I die for all of man's sins, except for grady, because he is an ungrateful bastard"




in all seriousness, I do hate hearing that tripe about jesus dying for my sins.

Radorth

Are you kidding? He died for you because you're an ingrate.

He loves you anyway. Get over it.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

It was Jesus who told Jesus to die for you. He *is* God isn`t he?

alek0

This whole thing "jesus died for our sins" makes me wonder about something:

Lets say you you stole something, your sibling or best friend who loves you takes the blame and goes to jail instead of you, then it is immoral for you to stay quiet and accept that.

On the other hand, it is supposed to be a good thing to accept "jesus died for our sins". It is moral to accept that he died because you are envious of your neighbours new car or had pre-marital sex or couldn't restrain yourself and ate 10 krispy kreme donuts (gluttony is a mortal sin, don't you know). Assuming that he existed, he died because you are going to behave or think or feel according to what is normal or natural behavior/thinking/feeling. And it is good to accept that? And you are supposed to be happy about that? Blech.

Radorth

We're talking about what is moral to God here. He invented this substitution so he could fulfill all his responsibilities, and dispense perfect love and perfect justice at once- not to mention save you on your deathbed, or whenever you get over your false humility.

Huh? Nah he died because "the strength of sin is the law."

Read Romans and take a few Zen courses. You'll figure it out eventually.

Rad

Daggah

Oh, hey, look who it is, back doing a horrible job of making a point.

Dr Rick

Even if it was necessary for Jesus to die for me, couldn't God just have had him killed peacefully instead of having him tortured to death? Setting aside the whole twisted reasoning of why he had to die and assuming for the sake of argument that he did, why didn't his daddy just give him a quick heart attack or something? That the Christian god demands death to forgive me for making me the way that I am doesn't really justify letting a relatively nice man be killed in such a grusome manner.

Rick

Daggah

Indeed, Dr. Rick. For an omniscient, omnipotent god, Yahweh sure seems to be an incompetent little fuck, doesn't he?

Sabine Grant

In fact Dr. Rick there might have been some measure of " mercy" involved with the crucifixion of Christ. The Romans had the alternative to break the knees of the crucified victim to accelerate death. Being a doctor you probaly can figure out why it would affect the blood pressure and cause a cardiac arrest. Considering that Christ knees were not broken and the relatively short time he agonized compared to several days of agony.... this is not to justify the method of his death but to point that crucified victims normaly agonized for two to three days.

When you comment on Christ being a " relatively nige guy" are you sincere in your post? I am surprised by your comment as I have seen a trend among some atheists that Christ was basicaly either a nazi or a nut.
Being a christian of course I lack objectivity about the character of Christ. However if I try to walk in the shoes of a non christian ( which I did in my past) I would still find that his teachings regarding how we are to treat one another to be very productive. Left alone the aspect of salvation, can you see any productivity in Christ's character?
I realize I am asking you to deal with a person whom you may consider to be a myth. Even as a myth, the message thru the myth remains.