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David M. Payne · 06-18-2002, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by BibleBelted:
...My theory (which is probably not original with me) is that the more heavily invested (monetarily, time-wise or emotionally) someone gets with something, the less likely that someone is to admit that their investment is worthless.

No one likes to admit they've been suckered, so they deny it even to themselves, and keep pouring good money (and life) after bad.

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Originally posted by David Payne:


I think this about sums up the position all theists here are in. (From a thread on Scientology, Non-AR&P forum) As the longest running and most successful scam in history, religion has no equal when it comes to pulling the suckers (and their money) in.

David

hal9000 · 06-18-2002, 06:23 PM

DP, do you think our theist friends will really want to discuss this?

David M. Payne · 06-18-2002, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by hal900069:
DP, do you think our theist friends will really want to discuss this?

I don�t know, but I get tired of the evasions that are given here by the theists when you ask them simple direct questions. I have felt for a long time that this is the most compelling reason for the continued belief in God and religion, not logic, reason or common sense. BB just put it so succinctly, even if he isn�t the originator of it.

Tercel · 06-18-2002, 07:41 PM

BibleBelted's observations are pretty obviously true.

However if you're going to try to take some implications to religion, it looks like a two-edged sword to me. The committed Atheist posters here could surely be accused of exactly the same thing. Wouldn't it be heartbreaking to invest so must time and effort into defending and promoting Atheism, only to find out that it was wrong?

Jack the Bodiless · 06-19-2002, 06:06 AM

However, most of our time and effort seems to involve refuting lame arguments by theists: arguments that are still lame even if there IS a God (an invalid argument can still lead to a true conclusion).

If there is a God, I hope he's created a special circle of Hell for Cornelius Van Til and his braindead followers.

Pomp · 06-19-2002, 08:28 AM

Now, now, Van Til's followers are far from brain dead. Imagine the amount of brain activity necessary to perform such impressive mental gymnastics!

Jobar · 06-19-2002, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Tercel:
BibleBelted's observations are pretty obviously true.

However if you're going to try to take some implications to religion, it looks like a two-edged sword to me. The committed Atheist posters here could surely be accused of exactly the same thing. Wouldn't it be heartbreaking to invest so must time and effort into defending and promoting Atheism, only to find out that it was wrong?

Tercel, speaking personally, I would not be heartbroken. Bloody amazed, yes; possibly terrified, if some really powerful evidence for the Biblical God turned up. Even if the evidence were only for some deistic version, I would not be slow to admit the consequences once the evidence was proven valid to my own satisfaction.

Trouble is, no least hint of such evidence exists. So you have no room to swing this particular sword.

David M. Payne · 06-20-2002, 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless:
However, most of our time and effort seems to involve refuting lame arguments by theists: arguments that are still lame even if there IS a God (an invalid argument can still lead to a true conclusion).

If there is a God, I hope he's created a special circle of Hell for Cornelius Van Til and his braindead followers.

Who is Cornelius Van Til?

David M. Payne · 06-25-2002, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by David Payne:


Who is Cornelius Van Til?

Jack, PB help me out here. Who is this guy?

punta · 06-25-2002, 09:10 PM

<a href="http://www.wts.edu/resources/vt.html" target="_blank">Cornelius Van Til</a>

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06-18-2002, 06:23 PM	#2
hal9000 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: just over your shoulder Posts: 146	DP, do you think our theist friends will really want to discuss this?

06-18-2002, 07:41 PM	#4
Tercel Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,315	BibleBelted's observations are pretty obviously true. However if you're going to try to take some implications to religion, it looks like a two-edged sword to me. The committed Atheist posters here could surely be accused of exactly the same thing. Wouldn't it be heartbreaking to invest so must time and effort into defending and promoting Atheism, only to find out that it was wrong?

06-19-2002, 06:06 AM	#5
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	However, most of our time and effort seems to involve refuting lame arguments by theists: arguments that are still lame even if there IS a God (an invalid argument can still lead to a true conclusion). If there is a God, I hope he's created a special circle of Hell for Cornelius Van Til and his braindead followers.

06-19-2002, 08:28 AM	#6
Pomp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indianapolis area Posts: 3,468	Now, now, Van Til's followers are far from brain dead. Imagine the amount of brain activity necessary to perform such impressive mental gymnastics!

06-25-2002, 09:10 PM	#10
punta Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Can-a-duh! Posts: 148	<a href="http://www.wts.edu/resources/vt.html" target="_blank">Cornelius Van Til</a>

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