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Old 05-23-2002, 07:44 PM   #71
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How can they (low life forms) pay for these karmas if they are non-sentient? Isn't karma removed only as a result of suffering? What kind of suffering can an unconscious being go through? Simply being a low life form is not suffering if you aren't aware of your position in the world. Isn't this a big problem for reincarnation?</strong>
no, its not a problem. they do not need to be sentient. if you hurt a lower life form, then you will feel the exact same hurt.

in hinduism, there is no good karma and bad karma. there is only karma. if you kill a mouse, then you will probably be a mouse someday and you will be killed. and you will experience the same thing as what the mouse experienced, from the view of a mouse. or you will experience something that gives a similar experience, and then your karma will be negated.

karma isnt some sort of hell that you need to suffer. karma is just action and reaction. you will feel what you inflict on others. karma is not removed by suffering, it is removed by having the same experience.
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Old 05-24-2002, 08:16 AM   #72
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<strong>In hinduism, there is no good karma and bad karma.</strong>
You haven't bought an indian from our local then. Their chicken karma is enough to make anyone puke. I'm more of a beef madras man myself.

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A Sikh friend feels that, within her faith, mandatory vegetarianism is fundamentalist nonsense. There's plenty of accounts of the Gurus hunting and eating meat. If a tasty animal becomes dinner, it's just getting out of that incarnation with a chance to become something better.

The "official" view of death is supposed to be that a person's death is to be celebrated as an opportunity to advance to ultimate union with godness. So you could be doing that steer a favour.</strong>
I disagree. By your logic, sikhism advocates the killing of as many animals as possible (as a favor of course). i think most sikhs would object to that. also, i am aware that a few of the gurus were meat eaters, that is why some sikhs are nonveg, and that is why i asked 'sikh' my qn.

but my point is that the nonveg sikhs (as well as the nonveg gurus that they're following) are inconsistent because reincarnation assumes that the inner soul of an animal is exactly the same as a human. the visible differences we see are the result of the differences in the karma each soul has accumulated. a reincarnation-believing vegetarian kills plants over animals not because the plant's soul is different from an animal's, but because the animal is closer to spiritual perfection than the plant is as a result of having less karma.

i also have a sikh friend who feels he doesn't need to be nonveg. but what my friend and your friend feel is not necessarily important with regards to whether it's inconsistent.
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<strong>no, its not a problem. they do not need to be sentient. if you hurt a lower life form, then you will feel the exact same hurt.

in hinduism, there is no good karma and bad karma. there is only karma. if you kill a mouse, then you will probably be a mouse someday and you will be killed. and you will experience the same thing as what the mouse experienced, from the view of a mouse. or you will experience something that gives a similar experience, and then your karma will be negated.

karma isnt some sort of hell that you need to suffer. karma is just action and reaction. you will feel what you inflict on others. karma is not removed by suffering, it is removed by having the same experience.</strong>
you got a point.
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