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Old 09-08-2002, 09:45 PM   #11
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but the first response and first impression is that total evolution doesn't make sense.
A lot of science is counterintuitive. The heliocentric solar system doesn't make intuitive sense to most people. It's only after you see the data and understand the thought processes behind the explanation that you start understanding why it's that way even though it still doesn't necessarily make intuitive sense.
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<strong>I know eyes evolved first and all that, I'd just like to read up on the evolution of skeletal structures. You know, stuff that talks about that progressive development and all that.</strong>
Here’s some pointers:

Try sharks.

As already noted, eyes came before bony skulls, so skulls evolved to fit them. A key point to realise is that bone condenses out of cartilage. Sharks and rays (elasmobranchs, IIRC), unlike literally ‘bony fish’ (teleosts), don’t have bony skulls (or bony anything else); their skeletons are made out of cartilage (hence also being called chondrichthys). Cartilage is a connective tissue, and can form rigid structures, hence it can act as a skeleton.

There are even simpler fishy things in the group ‘agnatha’ -- jawless fish such as lampreys and hagfish.

Try a Google on combinations of those words with ‘evolution’ and you should get enough info to keep you busy... Also, get Benton’s ‘Vertebrate Palaeontology’ from the library, and check out the first couple of chapters.

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Old 09-09-2002, 08:59 AM   #13
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<strong>A similar argument was brought up on this ARN thread, you can check out the responses there:

<a href="http://www.arn.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001126" target="_blank">Where are the 4-eyed creatures?</a></strong>
Speaking of this, there are some four-eyed fish. Funny that the ARN thread never mentioned 'em.


E.g. Anableps:

<a href="http://ebiomedia.com/gall/eyes/4eye.html" target="_blank">From the "Eye to Eye Gallery" page</a>





Anableps is often refered to as "the" "four-eyed fish" but it is probably better described as a two-eyed fish specialized to look above and below the water.


There is an even more spectacular example of four-eyedness in fish, mentioned by Dawkins (with a diagram) somewhere, but I can't remember the details. Separate lenses and everything though.

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