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pz · 11-27-2002, 05:31 PM

On another thread, I was reminded of one unbelievable old argument. About 9 years ago, a fellow named Lionel Tun on the talk.origins newsgroup had an amazing explanation for how a sharp-fanged predator like Tyrannosaurus Rex could possibly have been a vegetarian in the garden of eden.

He said the teeth were used to saw down trees, and that tyrannosaurs probably helped Noah cut down and dress the timbers for the Ark.

Doubting Didymus · 11-27-2002, 05:40 PM

I still can't believe it.

What a hilarious image!

tgamble · 11-28-2002, 05:16 AM

New winner!

<a href="http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000050.html" target="_blank">http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000050.html</a>

"4. The creation model predicts a static universe, unchanging from its orignal perfect state. Look at the stars. Exactly the same place they were thousands of years ago when we first started looking at the sky.

32-0 in favor of creationism and we haven't even gotten started?

5. If evolution were true, we'd see stars changing, as per cosmological evolution. But the sky looks the same always, regardless of weather or not your a professional astronomer or a layman. Thus again we see a perfect creation instead of evolution.

Now, some might argue that supernova explosions prove old stars, on the order of millions of years. However, Johnathan Sartifti, one of the worlds leading chemists and a prominent creationist has disproven this by showing that there are not enough supernova remnants to equal an old earth.

You really should read his book Refuting Evolution. Answers in Genesis also has a second book along the same lines."

<img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Pathetic isn't it.

RufusAtticus · 11-28-2002, 06:30 AM

Ummm, what does a "leading" chemist know about astronomy?

tgamble · 11-28-2002, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RufusAtticus:
<strong>Ummm, what does a "leading" chemist know about astronomy?</strong>

Probably a lot more than Sarfati.

Coragyps · 11-28-2002, 01:25 PM

Quote:

But the sky looks the same always, regardless of weather or not your a professional astronomer or a layman.

What's truly funny about that is that even the layman part is untrue: the star Altair (= alpha Aquilae) is now east of the line from beta to gamma Aquilae, and the Greek astronomers indicated it was west back 1800 years ago or so. And its measured motion across the sky agrees with what the Almagest said...

Doubting Didymus · 11-28-2002, 01:47 PM

There is nothing in this feild that I hate more that associating biological evolution with 'cosmic evolution'. What a load of stinking false analogy.

Camaban · 11-28-2002, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus:
<strong>There is nothing in this feild that I hate more that associating biological evolution with 'cosmic evolution'. What a load of stinking false analogy.</strong>

True.

and also, some things (I think it was Egyptian) were in some alignment that couldnt' be figured out, until it was predicted where the stars would have been a few thousand years ago, and then the alignment made perfect sense (might have the race wrong, but the point is the same. been a while since I saw it)

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11-27-2002, 05:31 PM	#41
pz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Morris, MN Posts: 3,341	On another thread, I was reminded of one unbelievable old argument. About 9 years ago, a fellow named Lionel Tun on the talk.origins newsgroup had an amazing explanation for how a sharp-fanged predator like Tyrannosaurus Rex could possibly have been a vegetarian in the garden of eden. He said the teeth were used to saw down trees, and that tyrannosaurs probably helped Noah cut down and dress the timbers for the Ark.

11-27-2002, 05:40 PM	#42
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	I still can't believe it. What a hilarious image!

11-28-2002, 05:16 AM	#43
tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	New winner! <a href="http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000050.html" target="_blank">http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000050.html</a> "4. The creation model predicts a static universe, unchanging from its orignal perfect state. Look at the stars. Exactly the same place they were thousands of years ago when we first started looking at the sky. 32-0 in favor of creationism and we haven't even gotten started? 5. If evolution were true, we'd see stars changing, as per cosmological evolution. But the sky looks the same always, regardless of weather or not your a professional astronomer or a layman. Thus again we see a perfect creation instead of evolution. Now, some might argue that supernova explosions prove old stars, on the order of millions of years. However, Johnathan Sartifti, one of the worlds leading chemists and a prominent creationist has disproven this by showing that there are not enough supernova remnants to equal an old earth. You really should read his book Refuting Evolution. Answers in Genesis also has a second book along the same lines." <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> Pathetic isn't it.

11-28-2002, 06:30 AM	#44
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Ummm, what does a "leading" chemist know about astronomy?

11-28-2002, 01:47 PM	#47
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	There is nothing in this feild that I hate more that associating biological evolution with 'cosmic evolution'. What a load of stinking false analogy.

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