goat37

You know, thinking about it... I really think that God is limited by the technology of the people of earth.

What I mean is, God really evolves as humans do. (we created him, so why shouldn't he?) If you read the bible, god never just snaps his fingers to have things done, he always works really hard to get his point and message across... he had to flood the world instead of just dissolving them by his thought, hell... he took 6 days to create the earth for god's sake! Are you telling me that 'today's' god wouldn't have made the earth in just 1 day, and the whole universe in one fell swoop?

God didn't do anything that Bill Gates couldn't afford to have done. Hell, Gates was even better about getting people to get aboard the Microsoft bandwagen, than God did with Christianity.
95% of everyone that uses a computer uses a microsoft product, less than half the religious people of the world believe in christianity, how's that for a statistic?

Either God isn't as powerful as we all originally thought, or he just needs better marketing people.


And the whole point of this message is just satire. I have been in talks almost all day with my best friend who last year was a recovering alcoholic on the verge of suicide and became a born again christian. What he doesn't realize, is that God didn't save him, it was me calling the friggan paramedics when he overdosed.

pariah

no, god saved him through you...when he took away your free will. riiiight.

i was recently in an argument like that, it falls apart when you point out that for "everything to happen for a reason" god has to take away free will and by doing that intentionally makes bad things happen.

thebeave

Yeah... come to think of it, if God is all powerful (omnipotent) why does he need to rest after 6 days of creating stuff? Granted, after working on my truck's engine for 6 solid days, I usually take a little breather, but hey, I'm not omnipotent. By needing a day of rest, there is the implication that at some point God could collapse and die of exhaustion if the project was big enough. Like what if the universe were a billion times bigger than it is. That would put him in Diety General Hospital for sure!

Joe

Supposing there is a God, how do you know that all of your actions weren't already a plan of his? Acts of God don't require thunder storms and trumpets.

goat37

I'll let you have one and not the other, okay?

Look at it like this, I don't believe in God.

So you can either have:

I saved my friend of my own free will, it was all me that took care of it, and god was nowhere to be found.

OR

God took away my free will (which he says he doesn't do), but if that is the case and it was all part of some big plan, then God took away my free will again and designed me so I would not believe in him. Which means I am exempt from any 'sins' the churches have?

You can't have it both ways.

ScottDNV21

The Hebrew word used for "rest" is "shabath", which also means to cease (and from which the word "Sabbath" is derived). It doesn't mean that God was tired and worn out, it simlpy means that he stopped creating things.

T. E. Lords

I've read the bible a few times and I can't think of any verse in the bible that says "God created men with free will so they would worship him because they love him and not because they are robots." which is common dogma of christians. Could some christians provide some verses that say we do have free will?

agnawstick

That becomes a dangerous argument for Christians though.
I could easily see the argument made that we have free will because God isn't all powerful if ya take the O.T. at face value.
God is shocked, shocked when he sees what Adam & Eve does. Satan dissapears from God's presence. God needs to send his Angels down to Soddom because he isn't absolutely sure if the people there are as evil as he thinks they are. Sarah dissapears from the kitchen where he and Abraham are breaking bread, and God has to have Abraham tell him where Sarah took off to, because God frankly doesn't know.

From this you can take the point that we have limited free will due to the fact that God's vision and powers are limited, so we are free agents in the sense that children are, whose parents can not physically monitor them 24 hours a day.

Calzaer

That would mean my disbelieving in him is part of his plan too, and is therefore not my fault. He'll still send me to hell for it, of course, because he's an unimaginable bastard like that, but that's part of his plan too. Predestination rocks!

Eric H

Hello Goat 37


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What I mean is, God really evolves as humans do. (we created him, so why shouldn't he?)
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The definition of God certainly exists in our minds, and I am a Christian who believes in a God. I know my definition of God is different from other Christians.

How ever if God exists, he will know for sure what he is.

Peace

Eric