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Old 02-06-2002, 07:06 PM   #1
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Red face Medieval-Saint Miracles?

In <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/resurrection/lecture.html" target="_blank">Richard Carrier's Rejection of JC's Resurrection</a>, he notes this story:

... In 520 A.D.  an anonymous monk recorded the life of Saint Genevieve, who had died only ten years before that.  In his account of her life, he describes how, when she ordered a cursed tree cut down, monsters sprang from it and breathed a fatal stench on many men for two hours; while she was sailing, eleven ships capsized, but at her prayers they were righted again spontaneously; she cast out demons, calmed storms, miraculously created water and oil from nothing before astonished crowds, healed the blind and lame, and several people who stole things from her actually went blind instead.  No one wrote anything to contradict or challenge these claims, and they were written very near the time the events supposedly happened--by a religious man whom we suppose regarded lying to be a sin. ...

Is that in any way typical of stories of medieval saints?

If that is the case, then by comparison, the miracles attributed to the Vatican's more recent saint candidates are incredibly wimpy -- a few seemingly miraculous cures here and there. So why are the saints of recent decades almost powerless by St. Genevieve standards?
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Isn't obvious? God is subject to the 2cd law of thermodynamics. God's entropy has increased to the point where he can't even help his buddy Kurt Warner win a football game.
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The saints have come down a lot in enlightened modern times. The medevil masses were illiterate and credulous and thus the church could easily spin great stories about these characters.

Now the church has to crawl around hospitals and hope for miracle cures. A few years ago in Boston, the church got a saint up and running, by declaring a miracle cure of a child. The child had swallowed a large amount of Acetinophen pills and her liver was almost shut down. She was almost dead but recovered. The church explained this as a miracle performed by some dead priest from the 19th Century and on he went to New Orleans to be with the other saints marching in.

What they didn't tell you, is that 90 Percent of children recover from such an accidental pill ingestion. The church is still duping the credulous and obscuring facts in order to get saints. In modern times the nonsense is just not as rich as in the past. People don't accept ships turning right-side up, or monsters being slayed.
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