Vorkosigan

Buffman, you recommended some good books in the private forum. Can you post those recs for Fastfalcon here? The website you recommended is excellent, I have used it many times.

Thanks for being patient and sticking around, FastFalcon. I know it can be trying to have all these people talking to you at once. Also, be aware that these are very emotional waters for atheists; there are few things that infuriate us as much as having the Christian Right attempt to steal our history.

Vorkosigan

Buffman

Hi Mike,

Since that post was created for Crazyfingers dealing with a very specific issue/interpretation, why not check with him and simply copy and paste what you feel would be helpful for FastFalcon?

abe smith

FASTFALCON: cf Marbury vs. Madison. ???? HAVE I got this right , Group? If not, gimme hell, okay? (Also, everybody here shd own a copy of Laurence Tribe's {now new edition} *American Constitutional Law.*] I cain't recall who/where >>>>>>> a USSC justice in some decision: That the US Federal Constitution SAYS what the US SUPREME COURT *says* It says. Also in some similar place [oh, I can't remember the correct words! at this hour of the day.] to the effect that The US Supreme Court is the ultimate decider BECAUSE it is the final place. Help! somebody-here can quote this! You want me to KISS sompthing? I"ll kiss that short pamphlet. Abe

Godless Dave

Try the decaf, Abe.

Toto

abe - you are right about Marbury v. Madison holding that the Constitution means what the Supreme Court says it means, but I'm not sure how that would help Fastfalcon.

Oh, and Godless Dave, decaf? ppttffff...

Stephen Maturin

This sort of flagrant, repeated disregard for the Constitution is exactly why public officials who purposely or knowingly violate the Establishment Clause should be subject to criminal sanctions.

dk

It seems to me the Supreme Court has placed public school boards, administers, teachers and tax payers in an untenable position. The only way to stop students, or for that matter anyone else, from bridging the topic of religion is censorship. Yet free speech is protected except where an eminent threat can be demonstrated. In the Dred Scott decision the Supreme Court interpreted the constitution to say blacks didn’t have access to the courts, and the Missouri Compromise was unconstitutional. In Plessy v. Ferguson the court blessed de jure racism. Since McCullum and Everson decisions the courts have turned public education and children into political footballs. In 1964 public schools were the Crowned Jewel of the Great Society, today despite many $trillions sucked into a black hole of social indoctrination public schools are in crisis. The reality speaks volumes, public schools are patrolled by armed guards, metal detectors, sophisticated surveillance systems, drug sniffing dogs and no tolerance policies. Quite frankly its time to get the courts out of the business of public education (engineering). Public schools have been turned into maximum security institutions for social indoctrination and engineering, a place where society can safely dump its social ills with a clear consciounce, but ill equiped to transmit the value of freedom to subsequent generations.

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Toto

dk - here's a hint. Put in some paragraph breaks when you change topics to make your rant easier to read.

What is your evidence that public schools were perfect in 1964 and are now indoctrination camps? Why did you pick that date?

The Resistance

Here's an idea. because 1964 was the same year as the Civil Rights Act.