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Jack the Bodiless · 04-24-2003, 04:34 AM

I haven't come across this before.

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An explanation that is consistent with the data and with the Biblical account of origins is that man has been engaged in exchanging genetic material with the pongids, either in nature or in the laboratory. The variety of forms can be attributed to some form of reticulation wherein the original creatures outcrossed to both H. sapiens and pongids, as well as interbreeding within their own group.

Of course, all creationists are either ignorant or insane (or both). This is a classic example of the latter trait: actual awareness of the fossil record, and the clear existence of a wide range of transitional forms between apes and humans, has forced this particular cretinist into believing that humans have been interbreeding with apes!

I wonder how he imagines that such interspecies crossing would be successful, given that we're "of different kinds"?

Godot · 04-24-2003, 04:38 AM

heh. He'd probably explain it as a "meta-baramin" and therefore entirely consistent with the existing scientific evidence.

RBH · 04-24-2003, 07:37 AM

A couple of sentences preceding those Jack quoted, in the same paragraph, are entrancing:

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The fossil hominid crania show a gradation of morphologies between those characteristics seen in the apes but not in humans, to those characteristics seen in humans but not in apes. There is also a gradation in endocranial volume. Similarly , the postcranial skeletons of the hominids exhibit many characteristics that are intermediate, as well as a mixture of other characteristics that are either ape-like or human-like. Therefore, it is difficult to maintain the position that there are no morphological intermediates between apes and man. (emphasis added)

In other words, there really are intermediates in the hominid fossil record! That is actually a genuine step forward, however flaky the proffered explanation might be.

RBH

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 04-24-2003, 08:29 AM

Did he say in the lab?

*blink*

And people WONDER why I have so little faith in humanity.

Duvenoy · 04-24-2003, 10:03 AM

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An explanation that is consistent with the data and with the Biblical account of origins is that man has been engaged in exchanging genetic material with the pongids, either in nature or in the laboratory. The variety of forms can be attributed to some form of reticulation wherein the original creatures outcrossed to both H. sapiens and pongids, as well as interbreeding within their own group.

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle!!

doov

Peez · 04-24-2003, 11:06 AM

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J T-D C:
Did he say in the lab?

*blink*

And people WONDER why I have so little faith in humanity.

As Robin Williams once said (more or less), as a worker in a lab in Africa: "That's O.K. boys, you go to town without me. I'll be fine here in the lab."

Peez

Qinopio · 04-24-2003, 10:19 PM

This is not a plausible explanation because ape eggs refuse human sperm and vice versa, correct?

Dr.GH · 04-24-2003, 10:51 PM

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An explanation that is consistent with the data and with the Biblical account of origins is that man has been engaged in exchanging genetic material with the pongids, either in nature or in the laboratory.

I'll bet it happened at Berkely!! They have all the fun!!

That was the best laugh I had all day. Thanks.

Baloo · 04-25-2003, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ
Did he say in the lab?

*blink*

And people WONDER why I have so little faith in humanity.

I can't imagine how this would even be possible - I've yet to get an orangatang to "give it up", if ya know what I mean, without the soft glow of the moon above and the gentle trickle of a nearby stream... And don't get me started on what it takes to seduce a gorilla.

Jimmy Higgins · 04-25-2003, 10:00 AM

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That fossil hominids represent the results of hybridization between modern humans and apes is an hypothesis that should not be tested. And the moral implications of such an experiment are enough to keep most rational scientists from doing so.

(my emphasis added)
Well, atleast he admits its not testable. But in the same breath, means he can never be proven wrong, and this is science because...

5 stars for effort though. He really tried. (Jimmy Higgins pondering God with head in hands, shaking head back and forth as Adam is having sex with an ape and so is Eve) Oh, this was probably after the fall. Too bad the bible doesn't mention it. Most Flood stories are extremely light on the details regarding what they we doing wrong.

Though, perhaps, the Nephilim were apes, very large apes. HAW! Refute that atheists!

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Godot Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,335	heh. He'd probably explain it as a "meta-baramin" and therefore entirely consistent with the existing scientific evidence.

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Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Heaven Posts: 6,980	Did he say in the lab? blink And people WONDER why I have so little faith in humanity.

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