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gallo · 07-01-2002, 06:52 AM

From Article VI of the Constitution of the Unites States

"but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

From President George W. Bush

". . . we need common sense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God. Those are the kind of judges I intend to put on the bench."

At his inauguration when asked to swear to uphold the Constitution, Bush responded, "The what?"

Nira · 07-01-2002, 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by gallo:
<strong>From President George W. Bush

". . . we need common sense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God. Those are the kind of judges I intend to put on the bench."

</strong>

Source? (If you are pulling my leg

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queue · 07-01-2002, 07:29 AM

One source is <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,56471,00.html" target="_blank">here.</a>

simian · 07-01-2002, 07:31 AM

<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pledge_onhold020627.html" target="_blank">Here</a> (about 1/3 the way down the page) is one source. Never "misunderestimate" the lever of religious ferver in the US. We may have a Constitution that states we have freedom of religion, but we are at a stage in US history where it is being touted as freedom of MY religion.

Simian

Nira · 07-01-2002, 07:31 AM

::shudders:: Scary stuff.

I should not be surprised. Bush has gotten some new friends that might have a bad influence on him.

Quote:

UNITED NATIONS -- Conservative U.S. Christian organizations have joined forces with Islamic governments to halt the expansion of sexual and political protections and rights for gays, women and children at United Nations conferences��

�..But it has been largely galvanized by conservative Christians who have set aside their doctrinal differences, cemented ties with the Vatican and cultivated fresh links with a powerful bloc of more than 50 moderate and hard-line Islamic governments, including Sudan, Libya, Iraq and Iran.

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61275-2002Jun16.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61275-2002Jun16.html</a>

Well theocracy seems kind of nifty; why not give it a shot.

gallo · 07-01-2002, 07:47 AM

I heard it on the news at first - in the coffee room at work I think. I was shocked.

Here are some sources.

American Humanist Association Press Release
<a href="http://www.americanhumanist.org/press/litmustest.html" target="_blank">http://www.americanhumanist.org/press/litmustest.html</a>

NewsMax.com
<a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/27/144852.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/27/144852.shtml</a>

ABC News
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pledge_onhold020627.html" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pledge_onhold020627.html</a>

MSNBC
<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/772714.asp" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/772714.asp</a>

It is interesting that in two reports CNN didn't mention Mr. Bush's intent.

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/pledge.wrap.ap/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/pledge.wrap.ap/</a>
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/bush.pledge/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/bush.pledge/</a>

07-01-2002, 08:16 AM

Apparently in keeping with Bush senior's view of atheists.

Darwin's Finch · 07-01-2002, 08:21 AM

I wonder how many politicians could pass a college-level essay test on constitutional law? (That Dubya and Ashcroft couldn't goes without saying.)

Autonemesis · 07-01-2002, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Nira:
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61275-2002Jun16.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61275-2002Jun16.html</a>

Well theocracy seems kind of nifty; why not give it a shot.

The Mormons are in on it too. Damn, and I was hoping I could "keep the gloves" on with family who are still active in "the Church". But now...

Quote:

The World Policy Center, a Mormon group established in 1997 to promote family values through an alliance that includes conservative Christians, the Catholic Church and Islamic governments, is holding a conference next month at Brigham Young University School of Law. It will bring antiabortion advocates and legal critics of the United Nations together with more than 60 U.N. diplomats, including delegates from conservative Catholic and Islamic countries.

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gallo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Houston, TX, US Posts: 244	Slip slidin' away From Article VI of the Constitution of the Unites States "but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." From President George W. Bush ". . . we need common sense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God. Those are the kind of judges I intend to put on the bench." At his inauguration when asked to swear to uphold the Constitution, Bush responded, "The what?"

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07-01-2002, 07:29 AM	#3
queue Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 368	One source is <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,56471,00.html" target="_blank">here.</a>

07-01-2002, 07:31 AM	#4
simian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 1,924	<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pledge_onhold020627.html" target="_blank">Here</a> (about 1/3 the way down the page) is one source. Never "misunderestimate" the lever of religious ferver in the US. We may have a Constitution that states we have freedom of religion, but we are at a stage in US history where it is being touted as freedom of MY religion. Simian

07-01-2002, 07:47 AM	#6
gallo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Houston, TX, US Posts: 244	I heard it on the news at first - in the coffee room at work I think. I was shocked. Here are some sources. American Humanist Association Press Release <a href="http://www.americanhumanist.org/press/litmustest.html" target="_blank">http://www.americanhumanist.org/press/litmustest.html</a> NewsMax.com <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/27/144852.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/27/144852.shtml</a> ABC News <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pledge_onhold020627.html" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pledge_onhold020627.html</a> MSNBC <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/772714.asp" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/772714.asp</a> It is interesting that in two reports CNN didn't mention Mr. Bush's intent. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/pledge.wrap.ap/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/pledge.wrap.ap/</a> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/bush.pledge/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/27/bush.pledge/</a>

07-01-2002, 08:16 AM	#7
DMB Guest Posts: n/a	Apparently in keeping with Bush senior's view of atheists.

07-01-2002, 08:21 AM	#8
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	I wonder how many politicians could pass a college-level essay test on constitutional law? (That Dubya and Ashcroft couldn't goes without saying.)

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