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Perchance · 07-03-2002, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Ojuice5001:
Well, I don't know for sure. It just seems like common sense. Think of the movie The Birds. It scared people because birds outnumber us a thousand to one. Therefore, if birds ever banded together, they could do serious harm to humanity. Now, wouldn't you prefer that birds fall as far short as possible of thinking such thoughts? I mean, obviously the gods can tell you're joking, but today's idle speculation can be tomorrow's serious thought. Witness the invention of the airplane.

I'm a little confused here. Humans outnumber gods, so we can kill them? How do you know this for certain? If animists are right and everything has a spirit, then humans are probably at least outnumbered by, say, the spirits of beetles.

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On the other hand, the gods who care about unbelievers do want to supersede religion. I can't be sure that they don't approve of this kind of joke. Still, they probably want a slow, orderly resolution of their conflict with Jehovah, the Roman gods, and their human followers. I wouldn't count on them not wanting a less blasphemous approach to opposing religion.

I know that at least the IPU and Eris Discordia (as found in the IPU's scriptures and in the Principia Discordia) encourage nonsense, humor, and freethinking. Why would gods necessarily want a peaceful resolution? If they're not like humans at all, then they might think of war as a rollicking good time

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Finally, I believe the Roman gods punish those who wage war against them (I admit, that may or may not apply to those who joke about it) because every Roman and Hellenic site sayst this is the case. The teachings of the community of believers mean less to pagans than to Christians, but they are hardly irrelevant.

On the other hand, why do the teachings of any community of believers mean anything to non-believers unless the non-believers become believers, or choose to follow those teachings on their own?

This doesn't seem far from the Christian insistence that God is in control of every human being's life on the planet whether people believe in him or not, and that people who ignore him are doing so willfully, not becuase they honestly don't believe he exists.

-Perchance.

[ July 03, 2002: Message edited by: Perchance ]

punta · 07-03-2002, 01:01 PM

the very fact I'm still here after posting this topic should allay some fears. I feel much like I do every other day and even my bowels seem happy. should I break out in pus-filled boils or be plagued by locust I shall warn everyone.

I have even notified my betterhalf to inform the board in the event of a sudden embolism, spontaneous cumbustion ect.

besides don't you think the gods would start with those that misrepresent them, like Pat Robertson ect.

punta · 07-03-2002, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Perchance:

For Yahweh:

STOP WORSHIPPING HIM! I think even more than souls he wants to be adored, praised, and feared by people shutting down their logical brains in favor of communing with him.

I agree. anyone who needs to hear their praises relentlessly chorused 24/7 has a god-sized inferiority complex.

maybe if we tell him he's ugly and smells funky he'll go away or kill himself.

Jabbersnacky · 07-03-2002, 03:42 PM

So what about those who believe that we all collectively make up the embodiment of God. would global mass suicide do the trick? although most of us wouldn't go willingly so I guess it would in fact have to be global genocide. Actually this might work for all gods really with no humans around at all what the heck would a God have to hang around for although I guess he/she might start the whole creation thing all over again

Ok scratch plan A

Has anyone thought about what nuclear technology might do to the almighty, I mean if he/she had a problem with iron, chances are we could nuke him/her right outta heaven. Or perhaps just slowly poison him/her with depleted uranium shell casings, a generous helping of iron, and a large latex enclosure. As well as stop worshippers from doing their dirty deed, and keeping him/her alive.

Perchance · 07-03-2002, 05:45 PM

Perhaps "reverse worship" would do the trick too?

"Our Neglectful Father,
Who Art in Heaven but ought not to be,
We are going to unhallow your name..."

Something like that?

-Perchance.

Lamunus · 07-05-2002, 01:34 PM

Well I once knew a recovering drug addict who interpreted God as being a tree outside his bedroom window. He used to pray to it and swear by it and everything.

You can guess what happened during a bad lightning storm...

One of the last sane · 07-05-2002, 02:25 PM

Perchance: please continue!

eowynn · 07-05-2002, 02:48 PM

I would assume the Christians know the most about their god. Most Christians swear by prayer-that God answers prayers. Maybe if we all prayed that he would disappear, he would. I doubt many Christians are praying that he won't....

Perchance · 07-05-2002, 02:55 PM

All right

.

"...Thy kingdom hopefully never come,

Thy will hopefully not be done on earth as it is in heaven (although given Lucifier's example there, it doesn't seem as though thy will is done in Heaven perfectly all the time either);

Do not this day interfere with our going to the supermarket and buying our own damn bread,

And don't bother forgiving our trespasses, it's okay, we've figured out that to forgive those who trespass against us we just fine them or dump them in jail or make them do community service, it would be one of those, right?

Hopefully thou wilt not lead us into temptation, thou'rt God (if thou existest), why art thou tempting people? I thought that was the Devil's job?

And I don't think thou needest to bother about the deliverance from evil part, we are either doing fine on our own or thine intervention doesn't seem to make a damn bit of difference.

Ahumankind."

Something like that? (Granted, I hardly think they will start reciting it in Catholic churches...

)

-Perchance.

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07-03-2002, 01:01 PM	#12
punta Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Can-a-duh! Posts: 148	the very fact I'm still here after posting this topic should allay some fears. I feel much like I do every other day and even my bowels seem happy. should I break out in pus-filled boils or be plagued by locust I shall warn everyone. I have even notified my betterhalf to inform the board in the event of a sudden embolism, spontaneous cumbustion ect. besides don't you think the gods would start with those that misrepresent them, like Pat Robertson ect.

07-03-2002, 03:09 PM	#13
punta Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Can-a-duh! Posts: 148	Originally posted by Perchance: For Yahweh: STOP WORSHIPPING HIM! I think even more than souls he wants to be adored, praised, and feared by people shutting down their logical brains in favor of communing with him. I agree. anyone who needs to hear their praises relentlessly chorused 24/7 has a god-sized inferiority complex. maybe if we tell him he's ugly and smells funky he'll go away or kill himself.

07-03-2002, 03:42 PM	#14
Jabbersnacky Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: primordial stew Posts: 495	So what about those who believe that we all collectively make up the embodiment of God. would global mass suicide do the trick? although most of us wouldn't go willingly so I guess it would in fact have to be global genocide. Actually this might work for all gods really with no humans around at all what the heck would a God have to hang around for although I guess he/she might start the whole creation thing all over again Ok scratch plan A Has anyone thought about what nuclear technology might do to the almighty, I mean if he/she had a problem with iron, chances are we could nuke him/her right outta heaven. Or perhaps just slowly poison him/her with depleted uranium shell casings, a generous helping of iron, and a large latex enclosure. As well as stop worshippers from doing their dirty deed, and keeping him/her alive.

07-03-2002, 05:45 PM	#15
Perchance Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,059	Perhaps "reverse worship" would do the trick too? "Our Neglectful Father, Who Art in Heaven but ought not to be, We are going to unhallow your name..." Something like that? -Perchance.

07-05-2002, 01:34 PM	#16
Lamunus Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bethnal Green, London. Posts: 129	Well I once knew a recovering drug addict who interpreted God as being a tree outside his bedroom window. He used to pray to it and swear by it and everything. You can guess what happened during a bad lightning storm...

07-05-2002, 02:25 PM	#17
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	Perchance: please continue!

07-05-2002, 02:48 PM	#18
eowynn Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 58	I would assume the Christians know the most about their god. Most Christians swear by prayer-that God answers prayers. Maybe if we all prayed that he would disappear, he would. I doubt many Christians are praying that he won't....

07-05-2002, 02:55 PM	#19
Perchance Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,059	All right . "...Thy kingdom hopefully never come, Thy will hopefully not be done on earth as it is in heaven (although given Lucifier's example there, it doesn't seem as though thy will is done in Heaven perfectly all the time either); Do not this day interfere with our going to the supermarket and buying our own damn bread, And don't bother forgiving our trespasses, it's okay, we've figured out that to forgive those who trespass against us we just fine them or dump them in jail or make them do community service, it would be one of those, right? Hopefully thou wilt not lead us into temptation, thou'rt God (if thou existest), why art thou tempting people? I thought that was the Devil's job? And I don't think thou needest to bother about the deliverance from evil part, we are either doing fine on our own or thine intervention doesn't seem to make a damn bit of difference. Ahumankind." Something like that? (Granted, I hardly think they will start reciting it in Catholic churches... ) -Perchance.

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