Starboy

This is a fine example of Christian science and logic. So if an addiction can be passed on in the womb from mother to child, the sins of a man can be passed on in the womb from father to child? Or is the sin in the mans seed? Do you know which chromosome holds the original sin gene?

Starboy

Calzaer

You asked where the contradiction was. I pointed it out for you. Nothing more, nothing less.

wade-w

Let's get this thread back on track.

reverendmoss

Fundi or not I think Badfish has a point.

it's fallacious to assign modern feelings of personal freedoms to historical events and attitudes when such ideas were revolutionary. The days of 'indentured servitude', which i believe was more an early system of internship and apprecnticeship than slavery, had their own moral codes. I can see how a 'good number' of people would enter into a contract of limited servitude to repay debt if you consider the alternatives they had then.
Let's not forget debtors could be thrown in the Bastille - and the American model of personal freedoms (given you were a white, male landowner) was based on French forms. If this were the case today, a 'good number' of us would be locked away and never seen again, myself included, for the debt we're under.

Dark Jedi

Yea! Hijackers to the back of the bus!
(HA! I made a pun!)

Update: The previously long lived and active thread died. It died suddenly, and without a SINGLE reply after my post.

I did! I did break their minds!

Darth Dane

Very interesting, yeah if I bear the consequences of past failures, including but not excluded too, Adam and Eve's fall from grace, then we also bear the consequence of Jesus' return to God as a human, the triumph of man has already occurred but someone kept it a secret!!!

So our original sin has already been absolved(sp?) through the act of Jesus.

Mayhaps?




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Sarpedon

No Dice, DD. Original sin is transmitted through the sex act to the next generation. This is why Mary had to be "immaculately concieved AND Jesus' conception had to be without intercourse. Believe it or not, this is dogma. Since Jesus never had sex, (supposedly) his grace cannot be transmitted to us directly as original sin can. It takes "grace." There is a really bizarre alchemy of sin and sex going on in the church, fascinating.

Also, reverendmoss, I do claim the ability to judge everyone by the standards laid down in part 1 of my code of ethics. The almighty god, beyond considerations of time and space, should not be limited to expressions of the ordinary values of his time (as he is timeless) I find the attempt to masquerade a fellow who is the product of a hateful, grim and inequitable time period as the almighty lord of all there is to be deeply offensive. It is also offensive that modern people defend obsolete and bitterly cruel morals as divine truth. There were those in the Greek and Roman periods who disapproved of slavery, the ideas were not as revolutionary as some might think. What a wonderful time for the real god to have made such ethics canon! To claim that the timeless god endorses slavery is to say that slavery is moral for all time.

Darth Dane

No Dice, DD. Original sin is transmitted through the sex act to the next generation. This is why Mary had to be "immaculately concieved AND Jesus' conception had to be without intercourse.

So it could seem that in order to fullfill teh scripture of the OT Jesus HAD to be immaculately conceived. Jesus nevr said he was did he? Did Mary?

Believe it or not, this is dogma. Since Jesus never had sex, (supposedly) his grace cannot be transmitted to us directly as original sin can. It takes "grace." There is a really bizarre alchemy of sin and sex going on in the church, fascinating.

It is isn't it. If sex is the reason for a fall from grace, why on earth are christians who believe this, even making babies and continuing the streak of Sin?

To claim that the timeless god endorses slavery is to say that slavery is moral for all time.

LOL, Yes any claim based on history should be Lawful at all times.
Interesting point actually.
My timeless God endorses Love
Love is a moral choice at all times
My God endorses gravity
Gravity is present at all times
My God endorses freewill
Freewill is present at all times
Freewill to break or bend any rule or law

Seems like this is the God most people follow, either conciously or unconciously.




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Sarpedon

The archangel Raphael says he was. (conceived sans intercourse) (or was it gabriel?) and it wasn't Jesus who was concieved immaculately, that was his mother. If she had had original sin, she would have passed it on to her son. That is not mentioned in the bible, but is dogma of the Catholic church. Btw, I consider the views of the catholic church to be the most intellectually defensible of the christian sects, which is why I spend the most time with them. Other sects don't hold with the idea of Mary's immaculate conception, as it is not in the big book of myths. Jesus was concieved without sexual intercourse, by God (who is sinless) and Mary (who is without original sin) and therefore his conception is also without sin.

yguy

Not necessarily the sins, but the inclination to sin.

When Adam was caught by God with his hand in the cookie jar, so to speak, he tried to blame Eve (and God by extension) for his misdeed - IOW, he made an excuse.

How many of you have never made an excuse for a mistake you made?